Well, at least we’re not Atletico Madrid

By: agiamba | October 5th, 2008
   

What a crappy week. My beloved Cubs got swept, again. It reminds me of Juventus, with such a great season, I expected a lot of them, and I’m just left completely disappointed. Last year’s season was great for Juventus, and we expected great things this year; but the first month or so has left us far from satisfied. I’m officially joining the crisis bandwagon. 3 straight draws, increasing injuries, and our first loss of the season, at home. I really don’t know what to say about the loss, or the current problems.

Who’s to blame? Not Secco, for once. We should have gotten another defender, but I think he had a good mercato and we couldn’t ever expect this injury crisis to tear apart our team. Ranieri? He needs to shoulder a good amount of the blame, although I think this proves us tifosi cannot bench coach a team. He’s adapted the formation almost exactly to what most Juventini have been demanding in the last few weeks, but it’s still clearly not working. The players for me. We’re making mistakes left-and-right, and our attack looks totally impotent. Buffon looked frustrated as hell after being beaten by the second goal, really summed up what I felt. What disappointed me was the typical Juventus spirit was absent from today’s match. After some random guy scored against us in 82′, the team just gave up. That’s Rioma style, we’re known for never giving up! But where was that spirit? Not in the Olimpico.

Maybe we’ve lost the hunger to win, last season we were out to prove a point. We were coming from Serie B and we wanted to show that Calciopoli was a crock of shit. Everyone predicted we’d be pressed to get a Uefa cup spot, that Del Piero was finished, and that we could certainly not stand up to our archrivals. All of those predictions were smashed. But it sort of looks like the team doesn’t care enough. I feel a bit better Roma, Fiorentina and sort of Milan have been pretty poor thus far. Inter has been lucky to win, close 2-1 wins over Lecce and Bologna aren’t too fear-inspiring, but they are picking up the points. Is it because gli big are awful, or that Serie A is improving from the bottom up? Probably a bit of both.

I am very glad that there are minor injuries keeping most of our players out of international games. We don’t deserve to wear a country’s kit right now. The squad needs to focus the next two weeks on why we are sucking. We need to be united, not criticize each other. I was glad Cobolli publicly supported Ranieri as Roberto and I previously asked for. Chiellini and Buffon have both called for people to stop slamming Ranieri for the current problems. And of all people, Zampa- “I do not get all these whispers, he [Ranieri] is a praiseworthy tactician who did great things in Turin last term. I think some expectations are out of place, all good things take time.” I don’t think sacking Ranieri right now will do anything positive in the long run. Certainly his future with the club should be examined, but as far as I’m concerned firing him won’t help.

The Good:
Palermo: They traveled to Torino, and walked away with 3 points. Who cares how they played?
Marchisio: He was pretty much the only player I thought did well today. Good passing, retained possession, a great outing considering the mediocrity he was around.

The Mediocre:

Juve’s attack: A nice free kick from Del Piero, but Amelia really should have had that one covered. Considering their talent, we’re just not scoring enough goals. Today they didn’t have good service, but ordinarily we’re scoring like 25% of golden chances. Must be more cynical in front of the goal.
Giovinco: He was alright, but he’s still not taking on a man and trying to beat him. He’s a great dribbler, why not? Muscled out of large parts of the game as I feared would happen soon.

The Bad: Aka, the rest:
Juve’s Defense: We’re making bush league mistakes here. Beaten by two very avoidable goals against BATE, and 2 more avoidable goals today. Knezevic just lost his man several times, Mellberg was crappy, De Ceglie left our left flank exposed way too much and was beaten by his man on the first goal, and Salihamidzic couldn’t make it on the 2nd goal (although I think it was Knezevic’s fault). Grygera looked ok out there but didn’t offer his usual attacking spirit which we needed on the right without Camoranesi.
Juventus: 3 draws in a row, and a loss at home to Palermo. What the fuck is wrong with the team?
Sissoko: Thought the 2nd yellow was a bit harsh, but what the hell? Chill out man. We need the Momo of last season back.

Best moment of a dismal game: Miccoli running by the Curva Sud grinning after scoring a goal against us, and then injuring his calf immediately. Karma, bitch.

We need to take this international break to figure out why we’re playing so mediocre, and fix it fast. I’m not ruling us out of the Scudetto race yet, but if we continue this play we certainly will be out of it by November.


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  • agiamba
    No, Ben. Juve's problem= Dr. Agricola.

    Gazzetta reporting today that Buffon has a tear in his right thigh and will be out till December. WILL IT NEVER END?!
  • Bashar
    Silver star eh? That would be fantastic.. I'll take it.. I wish the Coppa CONI counted as a Coppa Italia.. We would have 10 then.
  • ben
    Juve's problem: Alessio Secco.

    I mean seriously why is this man still pulling the strings? He certainly has not performed to the standards of this club. I really don't understand how he is able to maintain his position and yes the youth have to play a bigger part and I'm glad to see Marchisio, Giovinco and De Ceglie getting playing time because they're stellar players. Marchisio was for me the most solid performer against Palermo.
  • if we win the scudetto we will put the 3rd star, and shove it in inter's faces.
  • agiamba
    John makes a great note. You'll notice back in the season preview, I said on paper this squad was a Scudetto winning squad. I also said the most important person to us would be Dr. Agricola. Seems he's failing to hold up his side of the bargain.

    Bashar, the management have said they will put a 3rd star on. It's not something regulated by the league, so they have no say in it. I want it, although I fully expect everyone to bitch about it in Italy, well screw them, we deserve it. There's always the silver star, Bash! 10 Coppa Italias, you get a silver star. Roma and Juve are both 1 away from grabbing it.
  • adam
    Bashar they already said they will and the league can't do anything about it cause there are no regulations on putting stars on a jersey. We could put ten stars if we wanted to.
  • Bashar
    I wonder what would happen the next time Juventus win a league title. Will they put the 3rd star on their jersey or will the league ban them from doing so? It should be an interesting battle which could possibly end up back in the courts.. With a lot of players, coaches, officials and football personalities having their say and complaining through the media.

    I wish we had a system similar to Germany with the stars.. Maybe then Roma will get a star.. :(
  • alessandro d'agostino
    ranieri has come out and said poulsen is better than alonso. he really is stupid. although giovinco is going to sign a new contract but you really need a better manager and transfer director secco is so bad. you could of had santacroce las january but bought sissoko instead and no matter what i think of him you didnt need him at that point of season. and poulsen is merda as well. i just think it is very sad this has happened to juve even udinese are signing better players
  • I didn't expect us to WIN titles this season but give it a pretty damn good fight. I had high hopes had our transfers been going in the right direction, but we're under the power of a man who used to be in charge of Roland Garros and our transfer is under someone who used to give papers to the referee at the sides. I've given them the chance in B and last year, but our transfer policy has been ludicrous and laughable for a club of our stature.
  • Al
    Daniele, exactly! He may be a great footballer, but also a man without honor!

    Anthony, thaks a lot, this can explain everything ))) Titus Bramble )))
  • Anthony
    http://www.goal.com/en/Articol...
    A private journalist sets up a sting operation and finds out secco is a spy for inter and was sent to sabotage juve also said he will sell giovinco in january
  • Daniele
    E RESTARAI.
  • Daniele
    Ha. Jo Ibra will ALWAYS BE A DICK.

    Pezzo di merda restaire.
  • adam
    If we lose against Napoli and both Madrid games, do you really want Ranieri to continue?

    If we were to continue at this rate we wont make a top 4 position in the league and the success we had last year will all be in vain.
  • John
    After last years great campain, the optomistic Juventus fans were always going to say "we can win the Scudetto next year" These optomistic fans are also very unrealistic. Did anyone here, in their heart of hearts actually think Juventus could add a third star to their crest come May 2009? I didn't, and thats why I aint panacking. Juve will pull things together soon, we have been unlucky with injuries and confidence is a little low, but give us time, and don't expect too much this season. We are no longer the side that many of us knew and loved in the 90's and early/mid 00's. We are still trying to find our feet in Serie A. We have Napoli after the international break, Naples is always a tough city for opposing sides so if we don't win, please please don't come on these blogs with a load of 'zOMGZ!!!11 rANI3Ri N3EDS 2 GO!@!!11ONE"

    We have 29 league titles, we are in no rush to make it 30.

    Be patient
    stay calm
    keep the faith

    Forza Juve.
  • Bashar
    Cubbies!! I'm not a baseball fan by any stretch of the imagination but I was hoping they would do something this year.. When does basketball season start? So I can watch the Raptors, Suns and Bulls all lose and get me even more depressed.

    Just wanted to spare a thought for Juventus.. We're in similar dire straights so I feel for you guys and gals.. What a terrible season for so many hopefuls.. The only people enjoying it are the neutrals who have enjoyed Cluj, Famagusta, Almeria, Lazio, Hoffenheim, Hull and the like.. (the latter 2 I am really enjoying..)

    I'm really gunning for quite a few teams around Europe to pull it together.. Roma, Juve, Fiorentina, Tottenham, Bayern, and to a lesser extent Milan and Real Madrid.
  • Look, did anyone see Alex's interview? I don't know bout you guys something looked amiss. But I know it's nothing to worry about because they're all professionals. I don't really blame Ranieri, he made some mistakes yes but of course we also had injuries etc to deal with. But this small.. recession of ours is just a hint of a bigger problem - our effing management and board. Seriously, open your eyes guys, Juve can't be under these incompetent dimwits. The elkanns dont possess even an ounce of their forefathers' passion and care for Juve. Nedved and Alex stated they stayed to honor the Agnellis, I cant say any upcoming player would feel the same way for the Elkanns, their hearts just do not beat for Juve, I can't explain it but I just get that feel. And our transfers have been ludicrous, what a bunch of idiots.
  • adam
    If he does come lets hope he brings Montolivo along with him. If Marchisio and Montolivo continue to progress to their full potential they will be one of the greatest CM partnerships.
  • ursus arctos
    ale and I have had this discussion before, but I am absolutely convinced that a major reason why Juve are in no hurry to sack Ranieri is that they have their hearts set on Cesare Prandelli.

    And as much as it breaks my Viola heart to say it, I am more than 90% convinced that the The Great Man will be leading the Bianconeri within two years. He is simply too perfect for the new Juve that the Elkaans are trying to build, be it in terms of managerial aptitude, Bianconero background or (deservedly) pristine image.

    I only hope that we will have left the country before he leads you to your third star, because those are one set of celebrations that I would find massively difficult to take.
  • agiamba
    Love the international breaks.

    BENITEZ TO JUVE?!
    DONADONI TO TORINO!?

    And it's only been a few days!
  • Uh, ya. Juve is not the only one. Hell, now Rivas will not be back until at least February. Out of nine starting defenders, five are injured. I think that we may start seeing youth-team players any second now.

    Oh, and Jimenez, Dacourt and Figo are also out.

    Yay.

    Really, the only thing that is keeping us afloat is that Cambiasso can cover in central defense.
  • agiamba
    Well, I think it's pretty bad, but Roma and Inter seem to be having equal injury crises.
  • vialli
    Yeah, i wonder why only Juve having (great) injury crisis.
    What's the 'cause ?
    Over-Training ?
    Lack Of Rest ?
    ...voodoo ?

    :|
  • The biggest problem with Juve right now, is confidence. Things started to get sour the first day of Serie A onwards, when we couldn't score more than 1 goal per game. Yes, we were winning, but by a short margin. Surely that must have been fu**ing with players' minds just a tiny bit. When I look at Juve's last 8 matches the previous season (when we were scoring at least 3 goals per game), I am definitely asking myself some questions...

    Obviously, the 3-consecutive-draws followed by this week-end's defeat did nothing to help the situation.

    Perhaps Ranieri (who shouldn't be sacked yet, far from it) should stop tinkering, and stick with the best starting eleven and the trademarked 4-4-2 wing attack formation we have been using for over a year now. God knows the 4-3-1-2 we tried Sunday sucked a$$.

    And as alessio and roberto pointed out, injuries suck too. And it's getting worse: we just lost Buffon for 1 month and Camoranesi for 3 weeks. :(
    http://www.goal.com/en/Articol...
  • agiamba
    I'm glad Blanc and Cobolli have come out publicly for Ranieri. I think sacking him would be absolute madness and the best way to quiet this speculation is to loudly assure he has your complete support.
  • any thoughts on today's dreaded vote of confidence...
  • agiamba
    A quote from the great man- "It's something strange. When things go well, those who understand the game well say that only 20 percent of the responsibility lies with the coach," added Lippi. "When things go wrong however, the coach is responsible for 120 percent of the woes. "They [Juventus] have some great people at the club. “Juve will rediscover their form very quickly,” he insisted. “I don't think that it is a problem of integrating the new players and the old guard but rather it is because of injuries."
  • adam, like alessio said it's the injuries.
  • The difference is, Ibra was a dick. He is feeling much better now (see my post).

    Also, Ibra has never once said that now that he is at Inter he feels like he is now truly playing among champions. In fact, he has never ever said anything bad about Juve at all (except he didn't want to play for Serie B).
  • alessandro d'agostino
    gilberto silva is twice as good as your beloved sissoko! and yes it wouldnt suprise me if they were signed given that the current juve management is terrible. and by voyeur if you mean i like to see juve getting shit on and fucked at every oppurtunity yes i am biggest voyeur in europe and i cant wait to see van der vaart fuck you up the ass with a 30 yard screamer! juve has become biggest joke in european football and you still say ranieri is the man for the job when he has proven he really isnt, it was champions like del piero and buffon got you champions league last season. agnelli would be furious
  • agiamba
    And voyeur, there were plenty of stories linking us to Gilberto Silva and Stankovic this summer. Nothing materialized, no real offers were made it's just media speculation. Both of them have found new leases of life so it's just the media hashing up the same old stories and if you actually think it's true, you're an idiot.
  • agiamba
    That's one of the problems, adam. There's no good coaches out there currently unemployed. If we can Ranieri, we might as well go with Ferrara as a caretaker coach, because any coach hired mid-season is probably not going to be a long-term project. But then if we do that, we pretty much lose Ferrara's influence at the youth level.

    Rikjaard and Hitzfeld both suck. No thanks. With the squads they had, winning wasn't in question. Rikjaard's attacking philosophy would never fly at Juve, we don't have the players for it, oh and he's a Milanista. Hitzfeld is a crotchedy old man and I doubt he speaks a word of Italian, oh and he's got a job right now. If we're going with temporary coaches, I'd go old-school, Zoff or Trap. Screw Ireland.
  • we should fucking replace this current management.
  • alessandro d'agostino
    i hear juve are being linked to splash cash in january on players like gilberto silva and stankovic! secco has ruined juventus along with the managment if they stay in power then im sorry but juve will never be the same again
  • adam
    Alessio, I think that when we get our full squad back we will still struggle. I don't know but I have a feeling something is going on that we're not being told about.

    Anyways after thinking long and hard about our crisis, it seems as if Ranieri will stay atleast until January so unless we look like we wont be making top 4 Ranieri should stay and leave at the end of the season cause there just aren't any better replacements.

    The only logical replacements are Rijkaard and Ottmar Hitzfeld, however our management as the monkeys they are will go for Mancini. God forbid a Ranieri Spalletti swap.
  • Al
    Johonna, you're now talking about Amauri, ok, but what about Ibrahimovic? Juve was not good enough for him too! oh... any opinions? ))
  • I especially hate his hair. Well, that and the fact that Palermo was not good enough for him.

    Dick.

    I hope he chokes on those black and white stripes!
  • KJ
    Johonna, how dare you speak of that blasphemy!!
  • Amauri, bah! Poor Iaquinta. You guys need to cut him loose so he has a chance. He needs to find a Fiorentina like Gilardino and shine shine shine.

    I dont care how many goals he scores, Amauri is an ass.
  • agiamba
    Injuries, adam. Injuries.

    We've had a baptism by fire for Poulsen and Marchisio because Zanetti has been injured, and well, Tiago still sucks. Our defensive back four has been constantly shifting. Legro-Chiellini have played two games together thus far.

    I'm confident that when the injuries start to subside, the ball will start rolling again.

    Buffon
    Grygera Legrottaglie Chiellini PDC/Molinaro
    Camoranesi Zanetti Sissoko Nedved/Giovinco
    Del Piero-Amauri

    That will win games.
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