

VotD: La Vecchia Signora
By: alessio | October 18th, 2008Whatever happens, don’t ever be ashamed of being a Juventino.
Day after Edit: I’m still too sick at the result to write a match review, so here’s one again courtesy of mCalcio that’s more balanced and comprehensive one than I’d create. Oh, and Poulsen picked up a knock and probably won’t be playing this Wednesday. Next weekend against the Toro we might field a Primavera XI.

[From mCalcio.com...] Before you answer that question, ponder the following. Your team is tied 1-1, the match is still very much left to play, and you, as a manager, are left with a choice. You can either keep fighting, trying to get the winning goal (as the spirit of the game compels you to do: you win by scoring more goals than your opponent) or, you can take off your only player capable of solving the match in an instant, with a pass, a shot, or a free-kick, to bring on a defensive wing-back. Based on today’s final result vs. Napoli, guess which option Juventus picked.
They say that if you find yourself in a hole, the best thing to do is to stop digging. Somebody please get the shovel out of Claudio Ranieri’s hands.


Saturday evening’s match at Stadio San Paolo meant primarily two things. First, Napoli seems to play better at night because I cannot recall the last time they lost an evening game. Their victory not only continues that winning streak, but virtually puts them at the top of Serie A standings (waiting for Sunday’s matches).
Second, Juve are in the sh**hole. No ifs, no buts, it’s done: the load has dropped, and it’s not smelling good in Turin right now. The Bianconeri can hide all they want behind their injury problems (some very fu**ing real problems), this team seriously lacks character at the moment. This used to be a team who, once they had scored the first goal, would bite their prey on the neck and go for the kill. Instead, it’s as if they are content with scoring one goal per game and then hoping for a win.
I’ve defended Ranieri in the past, but what he did today was just fu**ing stupid: take off Del Piero during such a key moment of the match??? His justification (”I had my mind to Real Madrid already“) doesn’t hold its ground, because Juve should really be preoccupied with the present before starting to worry about the future. Not only that, but Ranieri still refuses to acknowledge it’s “crisis time”… perhaps losing to Real Madrid on Tuesday will finally burst his bubble?

All venting aside, the first half of the match was a fairly balanced affair between the two teams. At the very last minute, Napoli manager Edy Reja picked Marcelo Zalayeta over Denis in the starting eleven, something which the home crowd didn’t particularly appreciate (the ex-Juve striker was constantly booed whenever he touched the ball… undeserved). Zalayeta did his part though, pretty much like the remaining 21 players on the field. And that was the problem: everyone stuck to playing their part, and not much more. The Result? Not many scoring opportunities.
Amongst the nothingness, the keepers kept busy however they could: Iezzo had to spring off his feet twice, first on a Christian Poulsen shot from outside the box (slightly deflected by Amauri) and then later on a curling long-range free-kick by Del Piero. On the other end, Manninger was called into action only once, a weak but accurate header by Hamsik. Meanwhile, the busiest zones of the field seemed to be each team’s right wings: Maggio was roaming free for Napoli, Grygera and Salihamdizic providing support for Juve.
In the second half, the status quo seemed to continue. Reja’s first substitution (Mannini on for Vitale) had little effect on the proceedings, until the hour-mark when a good Poulsen cross from the right-wing (finally) found the foot of Amauri, unleashing a precise volley inside the right post. 1-0 Juventus, and the San Paolo silent.
Not silent for very long though. On top of lacking personality, Juventus seriously seemed deficient in concentration tonight: the way Lavezzi’s cross found Marek Hamsik completely unmarked inside the box was just inexcusable, and the visitors paid for their lapse a dear price. 1-1.
Of course, Ranieri decided to make things even harder for them at this point, replacing Del Piero with Paolo De Ceglie. The formation effectively turned into a 4-5-1, with De Ceglie occupying the left wing and Nedved (I think) playing playmaker behind Amauri. Meanwhile, a speechless Del Piero sat down on the Juve bench beside Giovinco, both wondering why the hell neither of them was on the pitch at that time.
And inevitably, as is often the case with a team deciding to “play it safe”, the Bianconeri were punished. On yet another defensive fu**-up (Knezevic deciding to clear the ball, not towards the touch-line but towards the middle) Ezequiel Lavezzi grabbed a lucky deflection, presented himself in front of Manninger and beat him with a low shot to his left. 2-1 Napoli. Bravo.
7 minutes from the end, Giovinco finally stepped on the field. Definitely too little too late for Juve, who could only muster a header wide by Giorgio Chiellini before the ref finally called full-time. In fact, Napoli could even have made it three with a chipped shot by German Denis, finishing narrowly wide of Manninger’s post.
The Azzurri’s morale must be in high heavens right now, no doubt about it. Only they unfortunately, do not have an European mid-week fixture to worry about. By playing Real Madrid in these conditions (3 draws and 2 losses in their last 5 games, and don’t even get me started on injuries), Juve are just looking for more trouble.

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NAPOLI-JUVENTUS 2-1 [Match Highlights] |
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| GOALSCORERS: 61’ Amauri (J), 64’ Hamsik (N), 80’ Lavezzi (N). |
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| NAPOLI (3-5-2): Iezzo – Santacroce, P.Cannavaro (63’ Aronica), Contini – Maggio, Blasi, Gargano, Hamsik, Vitale (46’ Mannini) – Lavezzi, Zalayeta (68’ Denis). (bench: Navarro, Montervino, Pazienza, Russotto). Coach: Reja. |
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| JUVENTUS (4-4-2): Manninger – Grygera, Knezevic, Chiellini, Molinaro (78’ Giovinco) – Salihamidzic, Poulsen (75’ Ekdal), Marchisio, Nedved – Del Piero (71’ De Ceglie), Amauri. (bench: Chimenti, Ariaudo, Marchionni, F.Rossi). Coach: Ranieri. |
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well ranieri is not up to the job that is fact his subs have ruined pretty much everything for juve so far. and del piero and nedved are playing to often injuries or not. giovinco should be playing alot more as he is truly amazing. what are your thoughts on fabio cannavaro i read alot of interviews from him?
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Del Piero and Nedved are playing too often but given the situation, unless we want to field Pasquato and Fausto Rossi, that’s pretty much all we’ve got right now.
Iaquinta, Mellberg, and Legrottaglie are fighting to be fit for the game. If the trio make it, we might have a chance.
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bruno s, grow up. Alessio is a dedicated juventino and RealMadrid Talk would be lucky to have his contribution just like this blog is.
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I wouldn’t mind Pasquato, Rossi and Ariaudo to step up now. They might at least have some hunger to prove themselves. Even though Ranieri will probably be ignoring their efforts.
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I know Del Piero is a Juve legend, but I don’t understand all the controversy about his substitution. He was having a terrible game, so his manager took him off. It’s happened at Napoli too, we’ve had Hamsik subbed when he’s not contributing anything.
Let’s be honest, Juve’s subs put in a good performance but they were never going to get anything from this game. The problem isn’t Ranieri – just look at Roma, they’re in a worse crisis but they have faith in their manager. Serie A is so competitive you just can’t win year in, year out.
Good luck against Real Madrid. I’m looking forward to the remach in Torino when your stars will be back
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I think the contraversy is that with a defensive sub, Ranieri was perceived as conceding the draw instead of putting on a more offensive player assuming one was available and trying to win.
I’m guessing people would have been happier with Giovinco in for Del Piero. That way Juventus would have continued trying for goal.
Who knows if it would have worked, but the perception, I think is that Napoli never stopped trying to win and Juventus was playing safe.
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It’s so strange how much of a similar ship that Roma & Juve are in right now. At least y’all have 2 more points in the League though … and 1 more in CL.
Both have had a string of forgettable performances, both have under-fire coaches that weren’t helped by this weekend’s games, and both have a boatload of injuries, though Roma’s injury troubles seem to be turning around a bit now. It’s uncanny, though…
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MAD is exactly right. We took off a striker for a defensive-minded winger, and Ranieri later conceded he was playing for the draw. Shoulda put Giovinco on for Del Piero if he was ineffective.
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Rossi, Ariaudo or Pasquato now either Juve bob, but not against Real Madrid.
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Juve cannot use injury as an excuse..Their depth(other than CM) is stronger than alot of teams starting 11
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Ranieri? I dunno, none of us are professional managers, but it seems his tactics are questionable at best..perhaps ala domenech?
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I don’t think we can field them against Real anyway. But if our first team players arent performing, put them on the bench in Serie A. Van Bommel came back strongly after being left on the bench for 2 matches at Munich.
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domenech is 10 times as bad as ranieri hes just mental
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Guys, Molinaro was playing like shit PLUS he was on a yellow. You couldn’t assume Chiellini would be able to cover Molinaro’s shortcomings as well as keep our defense strong in the middle partnering with Knezevic. Ranieri did say he was playing for the draw (which i agree is never a good thing… to admit at least) but he was correct in his approach to help our left-side bringing on a fifth mid-fielder in the form of our attacking defender De Ceglie.
I don’t really blame Ranieri at all for his subs vs. Napoli; just his admission afterwards about playing for the draw.
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heres a scary thought, where would Juve be without Amauri this season?
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we can use injury as excuse….depth is great and all, but if your reserves are injured too, can’t do much about it. if palermo was going through what we are now they’d be fielding a primavera XI
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I’m not that pessimistic (usually), but we can’t lose so many points if we want to play CL next season.
I’m not saying we have no chances to win our 30th scudetto this year (I’m Peruvian, if there is a naive fottball fan in the world, it has to be Peruvian… we really thought we had a chance to classify to Southafrica 2010, and now we are the worst/last team in south America), but if we don’t bounce back kind of soon… Let’s say that this year lots of teams are stronger than last year, and we are not one of them (not with half of our players spending more time with Agricola than in the field).
Well, we will always have January for reinforcements/injury healing/Trezeguet/god helping us…
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roberto wrote:
Ranieri did say he was playing for the draw (which i agree is never a good thing… to admit at least) but he was correct in his approach to help our left-side bringing on a fifth midfielder in the form of our attacking defender De Ceglie.roberto, from where I was standing our left-side was fine the way it was. If it was such a cause for concern, Ranieri could have asked Nedved to drop a little or Molinaro to stop pushing down the wing so much.
Taking off Del Piero would have been justified only if Juve had been winning. And no, he wasn’t playing like sh** like some people suggested – I’m an ADP fan, but am not totally blind: I will criticize him if he plays badly, but this wasn’t the case Saturday (besides he was the only decent set pieces taker we had) Making that substitution with the match still tied and very much in the balance (it’s not like Napoli were dominating ball possession or putting our box under siege) is just plain stupid. It’s like saying: “ok, a home draw is good enough for us”.
Really?? Is this what we’ve come to?
Boy I can’t even imagine Ranieri’s expectations for Real Madrid’s game then. He should start with a 4-5-1 formation right from the get go, save Del Piero some time and leave him at Vinovo.
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Alessio, I know you think you know everything being a snot-nosed college kid as it may be (ive been there as well, you still have ways to go) but you’re starting to sound too much like a romanista…injuries are part of the game.
You aren’t going to get sympathy out of anyone for having a high number of injuries. Just like i wouldn’t get sympathy for my Palermo having millions less to spend on players compared to Juve or Inter…You have freakin Giovinco on the bench..Time to look past the injury excuse and realize Juve has not only underperformed to this point, but been a major disappointment.
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So…. Who’s looking forward to the match? Anyone think we can pull of a big upset? I know in recent seasons we have absoloutley dicked over Real when we’ve met ‘em in the European Cup, but with our horrific injury list I’m not as confident as I was in 03 or 05. Still, should be a very entertaining game and quite the spectical. Will have my lucky Del Piero top on Tomorrow just for that added bit of luck! We can do it, we are Juventus.
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Nah, KJ, I just know everything because I’m a Juventino.
Yeah, injuries are a significant part of the game but this is unprecedented injuries. Ranieri has been coaching like shit and injuries are not the entire problem, he and the players are a significant part too. If we had our real XI out there, we’d be winning most of these games.
and realize Juve has not only underperformed to this point, but been a major disappointment.
Yeah, we’re all fucking well aware.
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John, I’m sort of looking forward to the match. I’ll be wearing my ADP jersey as well. (no Buffon, no Camoranesi, no Trez…and Balzaretti is no longer with the club) Yeah, the idea of a stunning win has crossed my mind but on the other hand I’ve been waiting for that kind of reaction for the last two weeks to no use.
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Marco, our left-side was vulnerable at the very least. On a yellow, Molinaro becomes almost completely useless. His lack of speed was horribly exposed by Maggio in the first-half on one occasion, and his physical play as a defenseman became severely limited as you know, once he went in the ref’s books. It wouldn’t be impossible to see Nedved picking up some slack on the defensive end, but it looked to me as though our midfield was getting thinner and thinner as the second half wore on (with the exception of Marchisio).
With respect to taking ADP off, I think Ranieri made that call after his mind was made with De Ceglie. Playing with a 4-5-1 formation calls for a striker with good ball control and good shielding ability. Between ADP and Amauri, it’s a no brainer to me who’s has more to offer in that regard. Come tomorrow though, Ranieri will definitely not leave Alex in Vinovo lol. These sensitive times call for leadership to guide us through, and ADP has it in spades.
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This season our left side has been our biggest weakness and this is with no one being injured. Molinaro offers nothing except running 90min straight. Nedved has been playing one season too many, you can see it when he gets frustrated at not being able to catch up too the ball and his numerous bad crosses, passes, and shots. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, playing Molinaro and Nedved on the left will get us nowhere. It’s about time Giovinco became a starter.
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adam, thats pretty damn accurate..And on the Giovinco thing, why doesnt he get more time? He played a full load in Serie A for Empoli so he has the Serie A experience…Hes not a freakin baby like Aquilani let the kid develop
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