The State of Refereeing and Media Pressure in Italy

By: agiamba | February 14th, 2010
   

What a genius plan Secco and Blanc had. Behind the smokescreen of Scudetto talk and Champion’s League hopefuls, secretly, we had a plan to wait 3 months after a catastrophic downturn of events- until we had lost a record amount of games at home, dropped out of the Champion’s League humiliatingly, and then fired our coach, to start the master plan. The plan, obviously, was to start fixing matches to get into Champions League qualification. I don’t know why we didn’t start fixing games before, we had 1 penalty until Christmas break (which Diego missed), and our form was atrocious, but clearly, Blanc and co. knew what they were doing. Once we had hit rock bottom, the referees would come to our aid. It all makes sense.

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Collina swears by the Bible there is no conspiracy…except to save Lazio, probably

Actually, it doesn’t, it’s a crock of shit. Juventus have received 3 penalties this season, and we’ve had 3 penalties go against us. Roma have had 9 penalties in their favor, Inter have had 5, Milan have had 5-6. (my memory doesn’t serve me entirely) All of them have clearly been correct. Oddly enough, everyone on the Offside who is claiming conspiracy doesn’t seem to be bothered by the fact that there have been numerous penalty calls for Juventus ignored. We might be bad, but we have certainly earned more than 1 up until two weeks ago. I also find it funny that when us Juventini have criticized penalties given to Inter, people have rightfully responded that there’s nothing they can do. For some reason, it seems the Juventus Offside has a direct line to the FIGC and can get points reversed. The penalties given against Lazio and Genoa are obviously incorrect: What do you want us to do about it?

The funniest part about this is everyone complaining about a pro-Juventus conspiracy, and then in the same sentence, saying, “And the world wonders why Italian football has such a negative stereotype?” It’s the opposite- the moviola, the obsession with these incidents is the reason why. All week, certain outlets are going to be bitching about the penalty decision, Italian senators might yell something angrily in session, and we wonder why foreign media has such a poor view of Calcio. This isn’t anything new, pretty much everyone admits the moviola obsession is the reason behind this dim view (along with the stadiums, and hooliganism) yet when Juventus receives TWO poor penalties in 3 weeks, well, Goddamnit, there’s a conspiracy. (No one has addressed 3 main concerns: What is the conspiracy for? If it is to get into the Champion’s League, well, it’s a few months late. Why are the referees choosing to give it for crap incidents, and not clearer ones like Socrates tackling Amauri in the box? And lastly, how the hell can Blanc and Secco pull this off?)

blancsecco
Capable of pulling off a masterpiece conspiracy? Doubt it.

Frankly, it’s laughable. Mourinho said “Only in Italy are there penalties given like Del Piero’s.” Call Del Piero a diver if you’d like, but Mourinho has coached in England with divers like Steven Gerrard, Cristiano Ronaldo, and his own favorite, Didier Drogba. The idea that Italian referees give out exceptionally poor decisions is retarded, and having lived in Spain for 6 months, I can tell you everyone is the same over there. Everyone thinks Spanish referees are awful, and everyone thinks there is a pro-Real Madrid or pro-Barcelona conspiracy, both receiving generous calls, depending on your team.

As for Mourinho’s post Napoli-Inter comments, they get better.

“It was intense, difficult for both sides and the result needs to be accepted. After the game I complimented Rosetti, as I liked his attitude and philosophy of football.

“I’m stating first that I like the referee, so I can bitch about him for the rest of the conference and point to this when anyone asks me.”

“My players told me there was a clear penalty. In such balanced games that are decided by tiny details, these incidents can be crucial.

“I’m not saying it was a penalty, I’m saying my players said it was a penalty. Napoli is playing well, so clearly, the only way we could win was via a penalty.”

“If that’s not a penalty, then what is? It’s absolutely a stonewall penalty.

“I changed my mind, I did actually see the incident, and it’s a PENALTY. I don’t understand how the referee missed it.”

Jose_Mourinho22
“Rosetti makes me so sick I want to blow chunks.”

That doesn’t change my opinion on the referee, who aside from this incident did very well.

“Just kidding.”

“I find the attitude of the referee to be the most important thing, as one can make a mistake on individual incidents.

“Rosetti fucked up, and cost us 2 points.”

“The problems we had were against an aggressive, fast-paced and quality side like Napoli. I prefer to say we didn’t win because our opponents were good and the referee, who is human, made a mistake in not seeing that spot-kick.”

“Good lord, Napoli outplayed us. We didn’t suck, it was just that Napoli was better and I’m not sure if you heard, but there was a penalty incident that Rosetti didn’t give that could have given us the game. Did I mention Rosetti is a competent individual?”

“Maybe we are paying the price for the problems of others. For example when Juventus were challenging for a place in the Champions League, as they were today, and I see the penalty they received.

“A poor refereeing call in the Juventus game meant obviously, the referee couldn’t give a legitimate call elsewhere, in an unrelated campaign.”

My first question for Mr Jose would be, if Juventus are fixing our way into Champions League qualification, wouldn’t we give Inter penalties, rather than denying them? After all, Napoli is competition for that 4th spot, not Inter. Jose goes on a bit, but it’s a classic Italian bitch-about-the-referee-while-claiming-you’re-not, and it doesn’t help out at all.

Jose’s comments have nothing to do with Inter or himself, I’m just using his words as an example. This is just classic bullshit every manager says, and it doesn’t help anyone, most of all, the referees. Onto the player ratings:

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Buffon apologizing to the fans

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Given how often you’ve saved our asses, Gigi, there is no reason to apologize

LE PAGELLE:

Buffon: 4.5- A rare papera from Gigi on Rossi’s 2nd goal, completely out of character and he has admitted so. “To find a mistake by Gigi Buffon we need to go and look for it in almanacs. Going back to 2001, when he arrived in Torino: a wrong exit during a match vs. Chievo, then won by 3-2.” San Gigi- “Once in a while it happens also to me to make a mistake even if Rossi was good at kicking immediately. Thanks God my mates knew how to remedy, this means that next time it will be up to me to repay their kindness.”

Chiellini: 6- A solid game from Giorgio, but on the first goal he should not have tried to intercept the pass, which led to Acquafresca’s cross for the first goal. Decent play from the back, even if it’s not his specialty.
Legrottaglie: 6- Legrottaglie looked comfortable playing as a pseudo-sweeper, and held his own today.
Zebina: 6.5- You all know of my dislike for JZ15, but he played a very good game today, I was impressed. Only real negative notes were his yellow card and his terrible hack on Zapater that should have earned him a yellow before.

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Out of curiosity, is there any Juventus record ADP hasn’t broken by now?

Caceres: 6.5- As someone in the comments section noted a few weeks ago (step up and claim your prize) it’s sad that a player on loan often displays more grit than players we, you know, actually own. Worked hard on the right side, and a great cross to Amauri having beaten Criscito and Mesto.
Sissoko: 6- A typical battling display in midfield, recovered several balls and chased down opponents at every turn.
Candreva: 5- Started out promisingly enough, but never really found his groove or position in the game, he was quite absent for long stretches.
De Ceglie: 5.5- Genoa attacked a lot on his flank, so his offensive abilities were relatively contained, but he held his own and occasionally influenced play up top.
Marchisio: 7- Excellent cameo from Marchisio. The difference between him when he is tired and when he is fresh is huge.

Diego: 6- Genoa marked Diego very tight and rough, everytime he was on the ball he was being knocked over or hugged from behind. As such, he wasn’t able to create as much as normal, but his backheel for Del Piero’s goal was genius.

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“Hey dude, so I’m kinda under pressure here, think you could score? I’ll give you an Italian passport!”

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“That’s right……give it to me, bitch!!”

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“Whoa whoa…calm down. Hey, instead of an Italian passport, how would you like some chocolate?”

Del Piero: 7- Like Diego, Del Piero was being hacked down and barreled over whenever he was on the ball. His first goal was genius, a combination of grit, intelligence, and great finishing. His penalty? He was onside, there was contact, but it was outside of the box. Clearly it was his fault; being clipped, he should have stayed on his feet (like every football player does) and his job should have been to be watching where he was tripped…not, you know, focusing on Amelia or scoring or something.
Amauri: 6.5- Two things I liked about Amauri today: First, his header was straight from a year ago, and despite being surrounded by 4 Genoa players, hammered it in. Second, and probably more important, was the fact that he wasn’t bitching and whining constantly. Zebina recovered a ball, and crossed it Molinaro-style into Row Z, and Amauri applauded him for the effort. I do like Amauri, but when he’s ineffective up front, it’s bad. When he’s constantly whining and bitching at the other players, it’s just annoying. When Zebina drilled over the net, he was well aware it was a shitty cross. Nobody knocks one out to the stands and thinks “Hmmm, not bad, if only Amauri had gotten there earlier.” Regardless, Amauri fought well for the ball, but he needs to start taking some shots with his feet.

Zaccheroni: 6- The team looks like it’s slowly developing an identity, and while defense needs to be sorted out still, the offense looked better and perhaps most of all, despite conceding twice, both times we fought back to win.

delpierogenoa
Offside? I think not.

Things I think I think:
#1- The Penalty: Yes, the referee got it wrong. Do I empty my pockets for every anti-Juventino now? How’s self-flagellation alla Pope John Paul II sound?
#2- Rossi’s first goal: Maybe the 3 central defenders deserve a better grade for today: the second wasn’t their fault, and the first wasn’t really either. Giorgio should have stuck with Acquafresca, but the through pass wasn’t the issue, it was leaving a man unmarked in the box. Chiellini was covering Acquafresca, Legrottaglie was covering the near post and Zebina had the far post and Suazo occupying his time, when Rossi just waltzed in. On a brief review of the highlights, it looks like De Ceglie should have followed him back. Or maybe it should have been someone else, like Sissoko, who is a defensive midfielder. Either way, I absolve the defense of any blame on the two goals.
#3- 3-2, who saw that coming? Everyone. Genoa has a great offense and a dreadful defense, and their away form recently has been awful. As long as Juve played mediocre (as we more or less did) then we should have won.

ITALY SOCCER SERIE A
It is no coincidence the return of the tongue is at the same time as our return to form…

#4- I like the 3-man defense, actually. I thought it’d give me defensive heart attacks, but thus far, it hasn’t really, and whoever thought Cannavaro would be benched in a 3-man defense, much less 2?! The problem with the 3-man defense is it leaves space in midfield to spread the play. That’s not a problem if you have a competent midfield, but if you don’t, well, you’re screwed.
#5- Best cure for hangovers= pound a Gatorade and some Ibuprofen before you go to sleep…scrambled eggs in the morning.
#6- Juve’s Primavera is in the Viareggio final against Empoli. Do us proud, ragazzini!
#7- Speaking of the whole refereeing business, here’s a thought: Maybe the reason a referee gave a poor penalty in Turin and denied Inter one in Naples is precisely that- the location. San Paolo can be an intimidating atmosphere, to say the least, and the referee is under pressure. The Stadio Olimpico isn’t quite as intense, but I don’t think it’s mere coincidence the home teams got the calls.

That is all. Forzaaaaaaaaa Juve!!!!!!!


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  • yahya
    I am happy with the win. I am sure this will build our confidence as well as improve our morale. However i do feel that if we do not purchase a couple of good defenders in the summer we can kiss goodbye on winning anything next year. our backline just look so unsure and it is as if they have never played with each other.And lastly, ithink zac should stop playing with a back 3.
  • Excellent article, Alessio. Of course there will always be some people who just don't get it (*cough* grandeMou *cough*). Some people still obsess about EVERY call when they must know that all teams benefit from referee errors at some point. I'm a Juve fan and I don't think Juve should have received the penatly, but Juve have also missed out on quite a few penalties this year too. And teams like Inter, Milan or whoever have also benefited (and suffered too) from referee errors. The real issue is the amount of controversy it creates and the amount people obsess over it.
  • HashTheDon
    grandeMou : talking about past glories and yet couldnt even make it to the final for the past, hmmm.... i dont know..... since the day i was born perhaps :-)

    well the only thing inter is good at, is this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    such a sore loser... tell u what, why dont you bend over and try to bite ur own balls and shut the hell up :-D

    oh and before u wasted ur time to come up with smart stuff to reply me, which in ur case might take u days with ur 79 IQ and ur stage 3 hemmorhoid... dont bother! i dont really care what kinda crap comes out of ur ass or ur mouth, to me both are the same! hehehe :-)

    FORZA INTER!!!
  • # For Real, watch the video again, you're blinded by your own mind my friend.
    I am seek of reading those comments under the post, so I'll skip them this time and I'll get right to the point:
    Although we won, Juve didn't impressed me as compared to Ferrara days, except individual displays:
    1) Caceres is great! He can become a decent winger some day.
    2) Diego is even greater, he is settling down well.
    3) Marchisio - what a beast of midfielder.
    4) Finalyy we were not wasting 90 minutes of silly play and trying to get a result in the minute 94, this time we played the entire game, except first 18 min.

    Conclusion: We desperately need Giovi to replace Candreva. Candreva is good, but he is delaying a little bit the short passing, while Giovi is a dynamo, he always advances with the ball.
  • Jorid
    Gaetano: I know, and I agree. I didn't try to entertain him with an actual, logical, lengthy, thought out response. I just called him a Perdazzurro and he got offended haha.

    Comrade: Your theory of grandePirla being a bot could be very true.
  • Jorid: I must give you a reality check. You are arguing with a person(*) who is a Katy Perry fan and who has posted three times after saying "bye bye".

    * I'm beginning to doubt if its a person. It could be a bot programmed to spew bullcrap since it shows no sign of intelligence and is shitting around on every forum.
  • Gaetano
    Alessio and jorid

    Please ignore this asshole. He is here every week after our matches. He obviously is a loser with issues. Don t pay attention. He ll go away. HE CAN SAY what he wants but nobody here gives a flying fuck about his/her/its opinion.
  • sammy
    boy oh boy.. sure is fun to rub the salt in the wound isn't it..hahaha cheers mate
  • Nnahoj
    That video grandeAsshole posted is hilarious! I especially love the clip from 4:25 where Camoranesi is CLEARLY tripped from behind by an Inter player, but somehow it is supposed to show that Juve were cheating! Hahahaha! And Del Piero getting a yellow card for a yellow card offence? How scandalous!!!

    You Inter scum truly are a joke!
  • grandeMou
    mohd liverpool fans have a spot for you around the fire pit to talk about past glories and titles :) . at least they won fair and square unlike you cheaters. so how is juve doing this season anyway ??? lol
  • mohd
    oh sorry, i am really sorry grandeMoe i forget to mention the paper one. My mistake
  • Jorid
    Lol I'm as relaxed as can be. Do you really think I care what some random troll on the web says about me or my team? Also, I have called you grandeCheccha and grandeFrocio. Can you remind me again, which one of these two words made you cry again? Was it Perdazzurro? LMAO at you thinking that's inappropriate. I don't know what you think it means, but all it is, is a play on words, just like other fans call us Rubentini.
  • mohd
    grandeMoe will at least our captain won everything except euro cup, what have your captain won let me think 3 scuddeto only
  • grandeMou
    jorid calling me idiot would have been fine and i would have no problem with that but you used a p word and dont act as if that is appropriate. dont go around calling people on the internet those kind of nasty names. it reflects very poorly on you and makes you look unhinged.

    its just a game of soccer. take a deep breath and relax. all will be fine
  • Jorid
    grandeMou: I called you an idiot, because you are-wait for it: a fucking idiot. After every Serie A weekend you are here, bitching and moaning about Juve's "wrongdoings". Like I said earlier, no need to waste more time trying to make you realize how ridiculous you make yourself look each time you post here, so continue with your bitching. I'm sure the FIGC will hear your desperate cries for justice and get rid of the referee and replay the match.
  • grandeMou
    lol no contact on milito . ok man cant argue with that logic.
  • grandeMou
    yah if you bring up adriano how about iuliano. who did brian clough call cheating bastards ?? yah juventus who paid off the ref. past is past and we all know inter , juve , milan and all italian teams have skeletons in their closet if you go really long back into the 60s and 70s. so dont bring up previous seasons and the irony of a fan of juventus bringing up cheating when u guys were frkng relegated for match fixing lol . and dont bore me to death with these cliched comebacks. next what you are going to bring up adriano's handball ??? yaaaawn

    talk about this season and how juve r cheating their way to a SIXTH spot. that's what i find so funny. all this cheating and drama just to get a victory over genoa and move onto 6th lol.

    adios losers. bye bye
  • agiamba
    Right on, Marco. Gasparini said the same thing, and they are both wrong.
  • agiamba
    alessio i am still waiting for your explanation on why milito’s penalty against bari was wrong.

    Because Milito flopped to the ground under no contact. Everyone in Italy saw it at the time, and everyone was outraged just as they are about the ADP penalty.
  • grandeMou
    Jorid : Well maybe you should stop with your personal attacks if you dont want people to attack you. Yes I make fun of ADP but he is a public figure and would have no problem if you made fun of any Inter player but you started the personal name calling bitch

    just chill , take ur meds dood and u will be fine
  • Jorid
  • grandeMou
    alessio i am still waiting for your explanation on why milito's penalty against bari was wrong. am sure you went through all 5 Inter's clear cut penalties, didnt know what to do and just linked to one. u r pathetic bro and stop living in la-la land

    ???
  • Jorid
    grandeFrocio: Your insecurity, blatant inferiority complex and your delusional self are hilarious. Continue with your idiotic online crusades...
  • roberto wrote:
    Comments from Genoa’s president:

    “The three officials were top-notch!” Preziosi laughed on Sky Sport Italia. “They deserve full marks. They had in fact three reasons to award that penalty: it was offside, Del Piero was not even touched and it was outside the box.”

    “I also want to send my regards to linesman [Cristiano] Copelli, he knows why… It’s not the first dubious incident that has happened with Juventus of late. If they must absolutely qualify for Europe, we should be told about it.”


    Too bad Domenica Sportiva established Sunday that:
    a) ADP was NOT offside.
    b) Had indeed his heel clipped.

    If you want to create an argument Preziosi, cite facts you can actually defend.
  • agiamba
    Blah blah blah. I could make a 4minute Youtube clip on how Inter cheats, too. I could also make a 4minute YouTube clip making Zebina look like Cristiano Ronaldo. Yawn.
  • Ricardo
    Let's not get too carried away with a one-goal home win vs a second tier club. Our problems are still profound. The biggest revelation is Caceres, who looks like a real playmaker, and certainly mades more good things happen from midfield than he was able to as a fullback. So credit the manager with that move. Hopefully we've seen the last of Cannavaro and Grosso. Old and slow is not the way to improve Juve. I said it when we announced signing Grosso, took heat for it then, and repeat it now --- I'd play Molinaro over Grosso. Now we don't have Molinaro and Grosso is fading out of the picture. DeCeglie is not the answer to the toughest position to fill with quality in this beautiful game. Nor is it smart to do what we did yesterday and moving Chiellini out of the middle of the field to try to fill this gaping hole. Don't know what we have up and coming that could be an answer, but we need to do something. Game after game, the opponents' goals are coming from that hole.
  • grandeMou
    Jorid here have some hair gel. now shut up and go away.
  • Jorid
    Fuck off back to your cave Perdazzurro.
  • grandeMou
    Never forget:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    ADP is a sweet little princess in his pink tutu and thong prancing around. cherish him , adore him but do not touch him or breath on him or his body guards in yellow will throw the book at you. the whole world including the soccer field is his play ground and let him create his magic on his own terms

    lol . can you guys retire this &*@ and make buffon your captain already. btw all the guys who think ADP penalty was a close call please check into your nearest mental health institution ASAP. thank you
  • ooBia
    Immobile deserves a start (or a sub during the break) in the next Serie A game vs. Bologna.
  • Ivo
    These are all great comments and points, but I don't even see the controversy surrounding ADP's penalty. Juve has had a terrible season, Serie A (refereeing and tv) is run by Moratti basically, and Del Piero was actually tripped. Yes, it was outside the box, but it was a foul and a close call so it could really go either way.

    The thing I like the most, is that despite the terrible season we have had so far sprinkled with no-calls in many games, we "rubentinis" never blamed it on the refs. We knew we were the ones fucking up, and refs were respected even when they didnt do their job well.

    If it makes you haters feel better about yourselves by starting conspiracy claims, fine, hope that works out for you. We know where our problems are and both coaches, players, and fans are working to fixing it (dont think I "forgot" to put management in there).

    FORZA JUVEEE
  • bianconeri
    None taken Nnahoj, but that wasen't the reason I posted it. I did it to show people that every team gets its fair share of laughable calls for and against them, but for some reason those teams are forgotten or barely mentioned. But when Juve does it its murder.

    Funny how grandeMou hasen't responded to them.
  • agiamba
    Nnahoj, you're right on. I didn't know about the Palermo penalty, but it's probably a mixture of the two reasons you've said. Referees get mistakes wrong, and obsessing about it helps no one.

    Side note- Huge congratulations to the Primavera and especially Ciro Immobile!! Today, they successfully defended their Viareggio title, beating Empoli 4-2 with a Immobile hattrick and Yago scoring the 4th, on a nice free kick. With 10 goals, Immobile now has the all-time record for the Viareggio tournament, which was previously tied at 8.

    Immobile has a hell of a lot of potential, but even more, a very good personality. After the win, he was wearing a "ALE E RICKY, SEMPRE CON NOI" shirt, even though he never played along them, he joined us in 2008 and they of course passed away in 2006. Classy guy, let's hope he gets some minutes.
  • Jorid
    Caro Amaurifan,
    Vi ringrazio per il vostro gentile suggerimento. L'ultima volta che sono stato in Italia pero, non ho avuto nessun problema a communicare con la gente Italiana e tutti mi hanno detto che posso parlare proprio bene. Devo ammettere che nel commento precedente ho sbagliato con le preposizioni semplici, ed invece di scrivere "per farci ridere", ho scritto "di farci ridere". Spero che voi possiate perdonarmi caro prof. Vi prometto che non lo faro mai piu.
    Buttatevi dal ponte piu vicino per favore.
    Grazie di tutto.

    P.S Amauri si scrive con la A maiuscola.
  • vlad
    As an Juventus fan.... Is the penalty made up by the ref? I think Del Piero dived, do u guys agree?
  • amaurifan
    "Grazie Roma,
    di farci ridere."
    dude, if you dont speak italian, dont try...
  • Jorid
    Grazie Roma,




    di farci ridere.
  • lamagica
    this sure is a long-winded way to say, "I realize that cheating is in our (rubentini) dna but i wish people would stop reminding us of it so that we can continue to condone officiating assistance in order to advance our cause."
  • Interistas just cannot get over the penalty. I'm sure even when they celebrate their paper Scudetto, they'll be whining and bitching about the penalty. Classless in victory, inglorious in defeat.
  • elmi
    well as i said earlier, what's done is done... just hoping it was an honest mistake by the referee. And in case you have no clue being a referee is no easy job. try watching a 90 minutes game in full detail, knowing when contact is made etc etc (refs cant look at replays)... refs have to make the calls, while running and facing a 360deg view...

    however it's exciting to see how juve fans would react when a similar call is made against them. would you be able to face it with the same rationale, as what you're trying to impose today?
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