The Debut of Diego: Juventus triumph over uninspired Bari

By: agiamba | April 26th, 2010
   

The 3-0 performance against Bari was one of the better ones this squad has played this season, alongside the 3-1 victory over Roma. To be fair though, Bari hasn’t traveled well and having avoided relegation, their team looked relatively unmotivated in Torino. What was the key behind this victory? It was the same old 4-3-1-2….but we played it right. Full review after the jump.

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Diego roasting Almiron

As I mentioned in this post from a few weeks ago, the key to unlocking Diego’s performance two fold: being able to play around him, and providing better targets. The second is simple, players like Iaquinta (or Trezeguet) who make runs and try and beat the offside trap are far better for Diego to slide those beautiful through-balls to. Iaquinta was injured most of this season, and Amauri doesn’t move. Why didn’t his potential show as much with Trezeguet? Because of the first reason.

To get the most out of Diego, we need to be able to bypass him. That means a seconda punta, two fullbacks who actually contribute offensively, and a few midfielders that can pass. Over much of the season, Grosso and Grygera/Zebina did zilch up top giving no width, and Sissoko-Melo can’t pass. Del Piero took quite a while to get into form as well, two prima puntas doesn’t work well for Diego and when ADP was in poor form, it didn’t help alleviate the pressure either. In the game against Roma that defined what could be, Grygera and De Ceglie put in some good crosses for Amauri, Iaquinta, and Tiago headers. Iaquinta was making wonderful runs (one nearly a golden goal-scoring chance, the other led to Diego’s 2nd goal) and our midfield was composed of Marchisio, Melo, and Tiago, two of which are decent passers, and Melo actually was playing smart.

How does this affect the future? Well, Zebina, Grosso, and Grygera are not adequate starting fullbacks. Caceres, Criscito, and De Ceglie are all far more offensively skilled. In midfield, we need some players like Candreva, Marchisio, Poulsen, and less one-dimensional players like Melo or Sissoko. In attack, we need to sell Amauri, a 4-3-1-2 doesn’t suit him. (though neither does the 4-4-2, or any formation on God’s earth) Assuming we did manage to sell Amauri, Pazzini would be a great performance. I’ve been advocating for his signing for some time, he has poaching skill, he’s good in the air, and he’s not slow. But enough about Diego! Onto the highlights and player ratings!

LE PAGELLE:

Buffon: 7- Three terrific saves. A lesser person might have bitched out Zebina for his awful, awful own-goal attempt, but Gigi is a great keeper…and a better man.

Zebina: 5- A nervous looking performance. Buffon and the rest of the defense looked assured, but he messed up simple passes. Defended alright other than an awful near own-goal, but contributed little to the attack.
Chiellini: 7- Again, an absolute colossus in the center. Broke up counter-attacks, nullified Bari’s strikers, and as always, was a serious goal threat up top as well.
Cannavaro: 6.5- After last week’s derby, another composed and solid performance from Fabio. It infuriates me, though, it seems that his awful form in the middle of the season may have been a case of not giving a damn. Look at it this way- after playing relatively poor at Real Madrid, had he played bad when he first joined Juventus, he mighta been dropped for the Nazionale. If he started well and played like crap the whole season, likewise. Starting the season great and ending it well means his Nazionale position is assured. He doesn’t care about Juventus….surprise, surprise.
De Ceglie: 6.5- Pleased to see him get the nod over Grosso. The left-back had to be fairly pacey this game, otherwise Alvarez would have torn them apart, so PDC was a smart choice. He did very well to contain Alvarez, and had some nice crosses and offensive plays, nearly got two assists. I’m telling you- this kid needs to play.

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One of these two I’d like to see in Turin next year…take a guess which one.

Marchisio: 6.5- Controlled the midfield excellently in the first half, Massimo Donati had very little impact on the game. Another great all-around midfield performance from the new Tardelli.
Poulsen: 6- A simple and tidy performance. Shielded the defense, and displayed some nice smart passes that Felipe Melo and Sissoko can’t accomplish. He might not have as powerful games as Melo and Sissoko when they are in form, but he plays consistent, and discrete. (Oh, and I know I’ve said this before, but despite abuse from the fans, and the management saying GTFO, he’s been a model professional. Not locking Blanc in the bathroom or giving the ‘ole vaffanculo to the fans)
Camoranesi: 5- A bad game. Juve’s poor season seems to be wearing on his temperament. He was lucky against Cagliari not to get sent off for an elbow, and against Bari he could have been sent off as well. Needs to calm down a lot.

Diego: 7.5- A spectacular performance from Diego, one of his better ones at Juventus, above I mentioned why I believe his skill was unlocked. Promising.

Del Piero: 6.5- Worked hard up top and nearly scored a brace with a header and a penalty.
Amauri: 4- Another worthless performance.

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ADP looked to be physically in very good condition yesterday, he was running fast and hard.

Zaccheroni: 6- The team was organized pretty well from the start of the game, and the substitutions of Candreva and Iaquinta were dead on as Amauri and Camoranesi were having terrible games. One question remains- why didn’t they start?
Candreva: 6.5- Very strong cameo. Passed well, defended, an all-around midfield performance and a class assist for Iaquinta’s 2nd goal.
Iaquinta: 7- Looked determined after a few crap games. Pacey, strong, it is good to have him back. He offers a different dimension to Amauri, Trezeguet, and Del Piero. Trez is a poacher though he’s a bit more static, Del Piero is creative, Iaquinta is fast and strong, and Amauri is awful.

Par3199849
“I can’t believe I, a Juventino, just may have given Inter another title.”

Things I Think I Think:

#1- De Ceglie needs continuity! I thought Paolo put in a great shift at left-back against Bari. Alvarez is not an easy customer, particularly given his ridiculous pace, yet PDC had him locked up and managed to venture up forward a bit, he could have had 2 assists. Zac preferred him a while ago to Grosso, then he played a bit poorly and Grosso had a great game and PDC was benched. As I said earlier, there is really little reason for Grosso to be played- he’s old, he’s not going to improve, and he’s not that much of an improvement over PDC right now. Both have left gaps at the back, and conceded goals. If we play PDC, worst case scenario, his market value rises a bit and we sell him. At best, we have our left-back spot covered for the next decade. Where’s the loss?

#1a- Addendum: Some will claim De Ceglie is too defensively inept for the position, and that’s quite possibly true. The same was said about Cassani and Zambrotta at a young age, however…one we managed to stick with, the other one we sold on. (and probably shouldn’t have) It won’t happen overnight or in one season in fact, but if this kid learns to play solid defense in the next 2 years give or take, he’ll be one of the best fullbacks in Serie A.

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De Ceglie is pained that he does not get more playing time.

#2- Diego needs a passing midfield: I already mentioned this above, and then in the player ratings, but it bears repeating. When forwards make runs, and Sissoko and Melo (hereby known as Chuckles and the Clown, you pick which is which) are not on the pitch, he looks a lot better. Poulsen is having a very solid, yet understated role in the team and he deserves more playing time as well.

#3- The priority is still defense, defense, defense: Zebina, Cannavaro, and Grygera are stopgap measures. We FINALLY got a clean sheet, thanks mostly to Buffon, but I’m still not remotely satisfied. Personally, I’d sign a young Italian CB (Rannochia, Bonucci, Bocchetti, what have you) and a reserve…if we’re broke, recall Ariaudo, otherwise I’ve stated I like Lucchini. (Assuming Samp would let him go…depends where they finish) I’d sign Criscito and sell Grosso, and let the two young primavera products battle it out for that LB position. Ideally, I’d start matchday one like this: Criscito/PDC, Chiellini, Legrottaglie, Caceres.

juve29b
Don’t make this mistake again.

#4- You’ll note I started Legrottaglie over Ranocchia or whoever we end up signing. That is not by mistake. I firmly believe that if we sign a young Italian CB, it would be a mistake to start him from the bat. Legrottaglie is a competent player, and next year should be aimed at transitioning him to a reserve, and bringing that player into the first team. The consequences of throwing the kid to the wolves is disastrous, Legrottaglie himself (while not young) ran into that himself. Several bad games, his morale plummeted, he got benched, morale further plummeted, and then he got loaned out and we figured he was done for. Same more or less happened with Criscito. Legrottaglie should be first choice much of the fall, but the young Italian CB, whoever he may be, SHOULD be playing. The point is to transition, not pull a Giovinco and let him rot on the bench. Rotate him in, start him in midweek games (if we’re in Europe) and let him grow, build his confidence, etc. This is extremely important in my mind, and particularly if we go for Bonucci or Ranocchia who only have 1 Serie A season under their belt. Talented, but bad performances could very quickly destroy their confidence in the media pressure cooker that is Juventus.

#5- Amauri needs to go, ASAP. His form has gotten worse and worse as the season has gone on, and it is clear that it will be incredibly difficult for him to get himself out of this funk. (sporting and at this point psychological) In the last few months, he’s been utter rubbish in every game he’s played. And while of course the 4-3-1-2 isn’t ideal for him, per se, he’s been like this for a year and a half now. Would he go back to the Rosanero? I think so, I think they’d accept him back, the sticking point would be the price. (Anything 12.5mil or more, I say we take) Perhaps we should all cheer on Palermo for that 4th Champion’s League spot, so we can sell them Palermo and then raid Sampdoria for Lucchini and Pazzini?

#6- Should we reorganize our offense a bit, we should sell Amauri and sign Pazzini as I said earlier. Ideally, our starting forwards would be a seconda punta, personally I say let Gio play and ADP be his substitute/reserve, and a prima punta that would be filled by Pazzini. Iaquinta, when not troubled by physical problems, is a great supersub and would be a great reserve to give Pazzini the day off. I still think Trezeguet has all the poaching talent in the world, and if we didn’t get Pazzini or didn’t want to spend on offense, I’d have no qualms about starting him. If we do get Pazzini…Trez has gotta make a decision. If we’re not in Europe, his playing time is going to be very, very low.

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Getting back into form right at the right time.

#7- How do you solve a problem like Almiron? We briefly talked about this earlier, and I’m considering more and more about giving him a 2nd chance if he’s down for it. He’s a great playmaker, a regista, and he’s quite possibly been Bari’s player of the season thus far vying with Gillet and Bonucci. In the Juve-Bari game, I think there’s no doubt he was Bari’s best player on the pitch. It’s very hard to definitively say one way or another on his character- some might say he can’t handle a big club, and that may be true, but given how few starts he got at Juve, I don’t think you can make a fair judgment one way or another. If he can perform like he is doing at Bari, there’s no doubt in my mind that we should bring him back. If we decide against it, it’s ok, Bari wants to sign him and Almiron wants to stay in Puglia. (Note to Secco: Should you sign a defender, after failing with playmakers in Almiron, Tiago, Xabi Alonso, and D’Agostino, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, do NOT buy another mediano. We’ve signed 4 in the last 3 years, and we’ve got 3 in the squad. Enough already!)

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Both of these players deserve a second season in Torino.

#8- Straight from the horses mouth: “I am part-owned by Genoa and Juventus. It’s up to those two clubs to decide my future. I would like to return to the Bianconeri and play my cards again. No one expected such a disappointing season for Juve, but I think they will be back sooner than you think. But I must say that I like being here at Genoa, and a permanent move here would be welcome as well.” Music to my ears. There was a lot of rumors that Criscito was still angry at Juve about his experiences from a few season ago, but not so. All Bettega really needs to do is call Criscito, tell him the club believes in him, and he’ll be making the short trip back north to Torino. A couple weeks ago, I said for Italian youth, Juve will always be Juve and thus a big attraction. Bonucci said it’d be a “dream” to play for Juve, and while we know he’s an Interista, that and Criscito’s comments just go to show that even in a shit season, we still have plenty of allure.

#9- How much of a stud is Marchisio? Struggling with a muscle injury this week, and puts in a great performance. Luckily, he has confirmed there is no damage and he went down with a bad cramp, was subbed off for that reason (Oh hey there Zaccheroni, sub the injured players first) but is feeling fine. Good news.

#10- I thought Ranieri had balls of steel subbing off Totti and De Rossi in the midpoint of the derby, but against Samp, he demonstrated even bigger coglioni, IMO. The Ranieri we knew and loved (?) would have always played for the draw, but he made some risky subs and had his team playing all out attack. I look at Roma, how he makes timely and smart substitutions, lets Menez play, actually shows some kind of courage, and say, where the hell was that Claudio at Juve?

#11- Team Eats: Orecchiette alla carbonara. Mmm.

The Juventus Offside Shitlist:

-Amauri: (11 Weeks) Currently ahead of such illustrious players like Chimenti, tied with Grygera. Anyone else have the feeling Grygera will get off the list before Amauri?
-Chimenti: (10 Weeks)
-Felipe Melo: (8 Weeks)
-Grosso: (6 Weeks)
-Grygera: (11 Weeks) Like Chimenti, not likely to get a chance to prove himself anytime soon so he may become a fixture.
-Sissoko: (1 Week) Braindead move to get sent off and doom Juve’s chances of getting any points out of the game.
-Zaccheroni: Team was well organized tactically and his subs were smart. Two questions though: will Melo and Sissoko be back next week, and why didn’t Iaquinta/Candreva start?
-Zebina: (6 Weeks) Near-own goal maintains his spot on the list.

I think that post was long enough, so that is all for today, ladies and gentlemen.

SEMPRE JUVE!!


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  • Here's the article alessio referenced featured on juventus.com as of now.



    John Elkann: «Andrea Agnelli will be Juventus President»

    «Andrea Agnelli will be the Juventus President». It is still necessary to use the future tense because his installation will take place at the end of the current championship, however the news is now official. It was Exor and FIAT president John Elkann to reveal the news during an interview on La Stampa (on sale tomorrow): «Juve is very important for me and my family – explained the Exor and FIAT president – There is need of a constant closeness. By having increased the level of my responsibilities, I asked Andrea if he would be available to be the new president»

    48 years after his father, Dottor Umberto, it will be Andrea Agnelli who will lead Juventus confirming yet again the strong ties of the family with Juventus: «Andrea is not only a representative of our family but also a person who loves Juventus, Ferrari and Philip Morris for the sports part. Today he is very busy with golf with a project to re-launch the Royal Park I Roveri ( where next week the Italian Open will take place) and is a Federal Councillor».

    «There is a route we share and we will proceed together – concluded Elkann – Andrea will work side by side with Blanc, who will emerge stronger from a family presidency which will ensure a very strong link»


    FORZA JUVE!!!
  • Alex
    marotta got cassano on loan then didnt pay for him, then got pazzini for 9m...
  • Jose
    Alessio, what do you think having Andrea as president means?. A lot of people were saying that Rafa was Elkann's choice, do you think he might come to Juve or all of that is essentially scratched?.

    I really hope we get a new sporting director soon, and a good one, Marotta seems to be popular and I think he has done good things with Sampdoria. That being said, I don't think he is as shrewd as Corvino or Moggi are. Any thoughts?

    I am so happy right now!
  • Andrea Agnelli... Bettega...
    Now lets wait for big luciano :)
  • Rinaldo
    Forza Barca!
  • Sam Dj
    that mofo barca reject motta just red carded, serves him right
  • ooBia
    I'm very happy that this change happened before the end of the season, now we have more than 4 months to start building. One step for man, huge step for Juve.

    FORZA JUVE.

    And forza BARCA tonight. The hell with the coefficient!
  • j
    i think the old guards should stay, UNLESS they asked to leave, we owe them afterall

    buffon--another rumor juve's looking to sell, first, he/his agent says he's staying, second, he's costly, not many clubs can afford him, man utd is the only one likely, but i think they would prefer to give their youths a chance, others have adequate-world class keeper, or can't afford

    trez-unless he wants to go, a 1 yr hiatus from UCL, maybe 2 vs. high wages, respect & prestige, your choice, trezgol

    camo-easily the best player when happy and healthy, unless he wants to go

    ADP-our captain, over 10yrs of service, current record holder, enuff said

    after reading, i think i would give PDC another season

    amauri, still think it's a baggage we can't get rid of, unless a forced sale, will milan pay high wages? maybe we can loan him out
  • agiamba
    Jose- I'll do you one better.
    http://www.juventus.com/site/i...

    It's on Juventus.com!!
  • agiamba
    Juve 1897, do you read what I write? At the end of next year, none of the Old Guard save Buffon would be starting, in my plans. We need to start a transition, but as far as experience, mentoring, and impact subs go, can't do much better than ADP+co.
  • Jose
    Wow, it looks like Andrea Agnelli's appointment is official. It is in la Stampa and Tuttosport. He will start exercising the presidency at the end of the tournament. Hopefully this is the beginning of a new era. He seems young to me but at least I think he cares more about Juve than John Elkann, I hope he surrounds himself with football people. The article in Tuttosport says that he will work in close proximity to Blanc, so I guess Blanc is staying.

    http://www.lastampa.it/sport/c...

    If you know Italian, there is the link
  • Jorid
    ^^^Haha. That's hilarious Jose.
  • Jose
    I don't know much about Andrea Agnelli but I think the club needs to distance itself from the John and Lapo Elkann. If Andrea is appointed president I hope that means we will have further changes in the management and that can only be good news. Blanc should remain in charge of the stadium and finances, I would like to see Secco fired, or even better, given to Inter, we can even pay for his salary while at Inter.
  • Jorid
    Very happy to hear an Agnelli is(hopefully) going to take charge as President. It's definitely a step in the right direction, this direction being back to our roots.
    Now we won't have to listen to anymore "If we win the Scudetto this year, we are going to put the 3rd star on our shirts!!!" bullshit.
  • Rinaldo
    How will this affect us?

    For one, we will get a management that cares about Juventus the football club, and not Juventus the profit-making, stadium-building company. Hopefully, Agnelli knows more about football than Lapo Elkann, Blanc and Secco put together.
  • Nnahoj
    Ummm, that picture is actually of Andrea Angelli, not Umberto.
  • English: http://football-italia.net/apr...

    How will this affect us?
  • al
    Tuttojuve reports that Andrea Agnelli will be our new President!

    http://www.tuttojuve.com/?acti...

    Gossip also tells that Nedved will be back to Juve, both as Andrea advisor and to take care Juve youth system.

    Adding Moggi's statement that he will come back once Andrea is President, I couldnt be more happy!
  • Matt
    Tuttosport seem to think that tomorrow Andrea Agnelli will be announced as the new Juve president.

    Thoughts?
  • Rinaldo
    Mufid, yes, Germany overtook Italy after Bayern's win yesterday. Inter could reclaim Italy's 3rd spot today.
  • ooBia
    To add to what has been already said about the Old Guards (OG), our youngsters have most, if not all, of them as their idols. Morale would go downhill if we got rid of the OG. As everyone is saying here, they need to be on the team as subs and for support, but most importantly to pass their knowledge to the next generation. But to outright get rid of them is madness and not really feasible. I understand that all of us are frustrated and want change but that's not the way to go about it.

    And as Alessio said, the Old Guards were never the real problem. Canna is. Grosso is. And whoever decided to bring them in. Zebina and Grygera are, and whoever decided to keep them on the team for all those years.

    Amauri still sucks.
  • Nnahoj
    If we're talking about the Old Guard leaving (by Old Guard I'm referring to Buffon, Legro, Del Piero, Camo and Trezeguet) then the only one I would be glad to see leave is Camo. He's too inconsistent, too injury-prone and too hot-headed. I'm surprised he's been here this long actually after his maddening performance against Arsenal in '06 (for those who don't remember, he was shit all game, then got sent off and sarcastically applauded the fans as he went off). He's been good, but his best is gone. Time for him to go. And we have Candreva who can pick up that mantle.

    The other four should definitely stay, but (apart from Buffon) in a reserve capacity.
  • Mass
    stories emanating this morning regarding Trezeguet's possible departure this summer. His agent appears to be sounding out a move to AC Milan this summer. Personally I agree with Juve 1897 to some extent, I think it is high time we give some of our younger players a chance to establish themselves. The problem is that the likes of De Ceglie, Candreva and Giovinco aren't that young anymore, these players can no longer be regarded as promising youngsters, ones for the future, their time is now. On the other hand I do think the likes of Legro and Del Piero should stay for at least another season, this is a squad game and we could use their experience. Although I wouldn't let all of our older stars leave this summer, I think that it is the right time for a number of them to go. Trezeguet's agent is talking about a deal between 5-10 million Euro's for his transfer, I think if Milan our willing to pay that, then we should let him go.
  • mufid
    guys, is it possible that german clubs leapfrog italians to third spot in the ranking before the end of this season and hence take that fourth spot qualification?

    check this link:
    http://www.eurotopfoot.com/gb/...
  • M
    I watched the replay on the ADP-Zac feud. It seemed like Brazzo was telling the official holding the board to stop and pointed somewhere. Maybe he already saw Marchisio down?
  • M
    @Juve1897: Woah there...I'm not trying to diss you man. Neither am I comparing our situation with Man Utd because it's a different era today and both clubs are in different national leagues anyway. My point is what Jose already said: we need a balance of young and old, youthful pace and enthusiasm and experience/know-how. Who knows where Marchisio would be today if Deschamps, Cagni, Malesani and Ranieri hadn't played him alongside some experienced players

    I get your point and I agree that the situation on youngsters in Italy is indeed pretty screwed up. However the inexperience in the line-up you laid out might come back to bite the team. Not that I'm dissing any of them because I personally like that starting 11. Chiellini is the only one who has played regular Champions League football and Marchisio, Caceres and Giovinco as well though they're still young. The rest have yet to play regular European football (e.g. Kjaer, Criscito and Candreva). Shouldn't that be a cause of concern?
  • ergo
    I think we definitely need to recall Criscito, and strengthen our defense.

    Caceres still hasn't convinced me. I like him but he seems sloppy, rushed, and pricey. I would take him over Grygera any day though. I blame him in part for the Bayern disaster...

    If we do get him though hopefully he can develop into a class RB.
  • Jose
    Juve1897, that line-up looks amazing but who is going to teach them the nuances of the game. I remember Marchisio thanking Zanetti for teaching him a thing or two about being a midfielder. Same with Ariaudo and Legro. I am sure Giovinco would be better with Alex on the team than away from the team, and same can be said about Immobile and Iaquinta and Trez. The old guard might not be able to put 90 mins week in and week out but can certainly teach the youngsters a thing or two about how to win and to transfer that winning mentality.

    The old guard should stay but their role needs to be clarified. ADP can't go yelling at our coach, that was just embarrassing, and he was angry before noticing Marchisio.

    We should hire a coach that is willing to play the youngsters and who is able to keep the Old Guard satisfied and under control (yes, I am talking about Camo). Not a guy that is going to make this team another Internazionale with players from all over the world.

    Rinaldo, spot on, I hope the rumors of Secco out and Marotta in are true. If Marotta comes I think that means no Benitez (a relief), and probably back to young Italians.
  • Rinaldo
    You know what's really frustrating? Despite all the debate and disagreement that's going on here, ALL of us agree on buying back Criscito, one top-class CB, a RB (Caceres or someone else), a regista and a top-class striker. And yet, I don't see our management pulling this off.

    If I know Secco, this will be our defense next season: Grosso, De Ceglie, Chiellini, Mexes, Legro, Caceres, Grygera, Zebina. FML.
  • Andy
    Why would Kjaer downgrade to Juve?

    Never gonna happen….but I guess you guys can dream


    LOL. Enjoy your season in the sun.

    But I do think it's more likely that Kjaer ditches you for an EPL team.
  • Gaetano
    KJ's got a point if Palermo gets 4th. Kjaer is not going to come to Juventus. He's right. I don't think he is that much better than some of the young Italian talent anyway.

    I like Caceres but I have to bring up this topic. The dude has missed more games than he has played. He made a terrible mistake * I believe against Bayern and we paid for it. That's right, their retarded BUTT goalie scored the penalty.

    Like I said, I like him but why not buy a world class right back??? We already have a world class CB. If we can get Criscito, Bonucci/Ranoucchia, and a very good and experienced RB, than we will have one of the best defenses in the world. With Candreva and Diego putting in such incredible performances and a top class striker(Pazzini), we really wouldn't need much else.

    I understand what Juve 1897 is saying but I still disagree with what he is saying about ADP and co.
  • KJ
    Why would Kjaer downgrade to Juve?

    Never gonna happen....but I guess you guys can dream
  • M
    @Juve1897- One more thing, it's FKING INSANE to ship out ALL the old guard in one summer. Yeah you can argue that Fergie in the 1990's won with his "Fledglings" but what about Bruce, Pallister, Keane, Solskjaer, Schmeichel and Cantona? It appears to me that you missed the whole point of what Alessio was saying about the old guard. The likes of De Ceglie, Giovinco, Caceres, Candreva and even Marchisio still have a lot to learn!
  • Sam
    Jesus Alessio, you and your Stefano Luccini, i highly doubt he will come, and even if he does dont think hes what we are looking for...
  • M
    @Juve1897: We can't just simply throw in the youngsters and expect them to swim so quickly, especially young defenders. They need continuity and rotation with a senior player would help. De Ceglie wasn't given as much continuity under Ranieri as Marchisio did or Criscito under Gasperini so it would be a bit harsh to judge him now.
  • DJP
    Cannavaro, at this point in his career, is an average player.
  • agiamba
    Legro would make it into a 23-man team, just not anywhere as a starter. He's a very capable reserve.

    Juve 1897, I mean you're expecting to sell/move out 10 players or so, if I'm right, you want to get rid of Camoranesi, Trezeguet, Del Piero...and I would assume the players I mentioned above as well. That's 9-10 players you're transferring out in one summer, which is completely unrealistic.

    Ok then if they’re motivated then you made my point that the old guards are not good enough if they can’t beat average teams while motivated.

    Do you read what we write at all? The problem is NOT with the Old Guard. We lost to Palermo because Grygera is a dumbshit, we lost to Inter because Sissoko lost his head and Amauri is a clown, we lost to Sampdoria because of Chimenti, etc. Buffon, Trezeguet, Camoranesi, and Del Piero are not in anyway the reason we are losing. Second, the idea that they don't have the motivation in "average" games....well, here's who ADP has scored against:

    Roma, Lazio, Genoa (x2), Siena (x2), Atalanta, Bari. Where's the lack of motivation against small/mid-table teams? Here's Trezeguet's goals:

    Lazio, Genoa, Bologna, Sampdoria, Napoli, Atalanta, Bayern, Fulham (x2)

    Lack of motivation? Come on.
  • Comrade
    If Legro is not "Juve material", this is not a "Juve team". Legro wouldn't make it into a 23-man squad of our glory years, but you have to understand that this is our darkest era. We cannot change the team overnight.
  • agiamba
    Alessio – I don’t care how the Italian media rate Legro, He is not Juve material.

    Baffling. So professional calcio writers give him high marks, but that's not good enough for you? Here you have the same problem as you calling for the Old Guard to leave - he is not the problem. Nicola is not a long-term solution, but he is not part of the problem. Zebina, Grygera, Grosso, Cannavaro, Melo, and Amauri are. Your idea of revolutionizing the team with 10+ players going out and more coming in is naive and in some respects, counterproductive. The Old Guard not only produces on he pitch, but they add vital experience and leadership to the team, when we have zero in the management.

    that is because the old guards only have motivation for the big games

    That is a joke of a statement.
  • Blanda_Amania
    The likes of ADP, Trez, and Camo, don't play any worse as time goes on, they just have a shorter amount of productivity time, and in Camo's case, get a little crabbier. It's the ones who are just not gelling with the team from the start, or do more damage than good that you want to get rid off. Momo has a lot of heart and hustle, but he's been dipping in his decision making skills. I hope he's just going through a rough patch and will do better these last few matches, or else he just might end up on the chopping block, as much as the thought saddens me.
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