Season Starts at a Crawl

By: agiamba | August 29th, 2010
   

Well, that was unpleasant.

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Juventus opened our new season with a loss, the first time that happened since 1982. Did we deserve the loss? I don’t think so, Bari were better, but not massively. The game was decided by one genius strike by Bari midfielder Massimo Donati, otherwise a pretty dour game. (Side note, as a simpazzante of Bari, a giant fuck you to Donati. Guy was pretty crap all last season, and saves that for now? C’mon) I am disappointed of course, but I am not hitting the panic button yet. First, Bari is a tough team. They showed it last year, and turned the San Nicola into a fortress. Even with a better team, this is a game we’d be looking at drawing. Second, this team is new, and it needs time. Particularly some players who have been here less than a week. (Ahem, Marotta) Either way, I’d rather start low and crawl up, then defeat Roma 3-1 on the 2nd matchday and have everyone naming us for the title. This game did prove though, that despite some enthusiasm for the mercato, we’re definitely very much fighting for the Champions League this year. The Scudetto is still far off.

LE PAGELLE:

Storari: 6.5- Came up with a few excellent saves, could do nothing about the winner.

Motta: 5.5- I thought Motta had an alright game, considering it was his Serie A debut for Juventus. Defensively suspect at times, and I was disappointed with his offensive contributions, particularly his on-goal attempts from 40 yards out. As far as a first game goes, adequate enough. He’s got a lot to grow to be a great fullback, that’s for sure.
Chiellini: 7- The leader of our defense, as usual. Keyser Giorgio was everywhere at the backline, cleaning up for De Ceglie, Motta, Bonucci, De Ceglie again, and like last year, was probably our biggest threat going forwards. Nearly salvaged a draw for us with a free header at the end. His player rating (7) from this past springs game against Bari- Again, an absolute colossus in the center. Broke up counter-attacks, nullified Bari’s strikers, and as always, was a serious goal threat up top as well. Sounds about right.
Bonucci: 6- Continues to make some rash and sloppy challenges here and there, but covered for Motta on a few occasions. A promising start.
De Ceglie: 4.5- There were a lot of similarities from last years 3-0 victory in the season, like Keyser Giorgio being an absolute defensive monster. De Ceglie’s performance wasn’t one of them. Last time, he had Alvarez locked up, could have had two assists, and generally played very well. Not today. Alvarez proved to be a very difficult opponent, and it could have been far worse if Alvarez wasn’t a complete failure when it comes to the final ball. He needs a fair amount of playing time before we bury him, like we did to Criscito.

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A difficult competitor in more ways than one

Krasic: 5- A very subdued performance. Flashes of excellence, but never really put anything coherent together. Given he’s trained 2-3 days with his new team, he deserves a pass.
Marchisio: 5- Another poor game from Il Principino, who was anonymous for long stretches of the game, was shrugged off the ball for Donati’s goal, and didn’t contribute much up top. It reminds me of Del Piero in fall 2007, who’s contract negotiations appeared to weigh on his performances on the pitch. Del Piero scored the match winning goal against Genoa the first game after he signed an extension, maybe Marotta needs to tie him up quickly?
Felipe Melo: 6.5- Probably the best midfielder today, Felipe Melo has had a very positive preseason and is starting to play like the Fiorentina hardman we thought we signed. Mopped up in the center and had an opportunity to score following a great one-two with Del Piero. Improving.
Pepe: 4.5- An utterly dreadful game. In fact, if he didn’t run up and down the pitch, he’d probably deserve a 2. Almost none of his passes found their intended target, his crosses either were drilled into the stand or never beat the first defender, it was an awful awful game, and one that makes us wonder if it’s worth signing him at the end of the summer. Krasic was quiet, Pepe wasn’t, but not in a good way.

Del Piero: 5.5- Shades of Diego last season. Constantly had to drop far too deep, which limited his attempts on net and prevented Alex from being truly threatening. Unlike Diego who typically had two forwards to feed, Del Piero had a well marked Quagliarella. A frustrating performance.
Quagliarella: 5- Utterly anonymous in the 2nd half, not terribly threatening in the first half. Considering he just arrived in Turin 2 days ago and has not yet practiced with the squad, he deserves a pass as well.

Sissoko: 5.5- Nothing of note.
Martinez: 5.5- Ended up hurt, but he had a few flashes of talent here and there. I honestly don’t know why everyone is so anti-Martinez. I really don’t find his transfer fee that absurd (considering Pepe’s would be 10mil) and while physically unfit still, he does have a couple nice moves here and there.
Lanzafame: 6- Certainly divided critics today. Some said he was timid and poor, I thought he certainly sparked something extra into our stagnant attack. Moved into the final 3rd well enough.

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Plenty to think about for Il Mister…

Delneri: 5.5- There’s a whole lot of question marks about today. Some of them, like Quagliarella, were pretty unavoidable. Subbing both his wingers was probably avoidable, Lanzafame should have started and if Krasic wasn’t ready, he wasn’t ready. Subbed on Sissoko for the wrong center midfielder. The bigger doubts for me is if Delneri voiced his opinion enough regarding the mercato. Trezeguet and Diego both would have helped a lot today, and supposedly Delneri wanted both to stay.

Things I Think I Think:
#1- Avoid Double Standards on Our Fullbacks- If you admire playing young Italians at fullback, we are going to have some problems there, but that is to be expected. If we do play Motta/De Ceglie as our starting fullbacks this season, we have to realize that they are of course young and inexperienced, and will make mistakes. This season we are aiming for 3rd/4th, and I think we can do that with the young duo at fullback giving them some crucial playing time. We’ll see if there’s any growth from them.
#2- The Defense Looked Alright- De Ceglie and Motta struggled here and there, but largely I was pretty satisfied with our defense, considering it was the first game. Bari had one or two golden opportunities, but we limited them. Donati’s goal was the main thing that separated us, and that was Marchisio’s fault. I am still scared to death about our defensive reserves. What would that second-string be? Salihamidzic-Grygera-Legro-Grosso? Yikes.
#3- The Wings are Very Much a Work in Progress- Kinda stands on its own. Pepe, Lanzafame, Martinez, Krasic, there’s a lot more we need from these guys. I don’t really like the thought of Pepe starting, though. At age 26, he’s pretty much not going to grow into the next Angelo Di Livio, and he’s utterly average as we knew. Alright for defensive depth, but blehhhhhhh.
#4- Injuries are back. Oh no. Martinez has some bad bruising to the left knee, and there could be light ligament damage. Marchisio has a problem with his upper left thigh. Both finished the match limping…that’s what happens when you use all of your substitutions by the 60th minute.

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#5- Borriello puts himself on the market- Surprise surprise, Ibra’s arrival has unsettled Borriello, as he’s pretty much a direct substitute as the prima punta. Kinda sad that a Milan youth product is being replaced by the definition of mercenary, but I don’t think anyone would argue Milan made the wrong move there. He’s had injury problems, but if we can’t get Pazzini, he’d be an interesting option for prima punta. People say he’s too immobile and inconsistent, but hey, we have Amauri. Can he be worse? Probably not. 14 goals in 27 starts last season is a pretty respectable record at a club like Milan.
#6- My MOTM: Sergio Almiron- Sonofabitch.
#7- Diego Could Have Helped Today… As could Caceres and Trezeguet, that’s all I’m going to say about that.
#8- The One Positive from Today- A lot of people were quick to say “same old Juve” today, in that we lost, and looked confused up top. But I saw a difference, and that was we didn’t give up after Bari scored. Until the end, we were looking for the equalizer. And that’s an improvement. Last year, we would have given up at half-time and conceded 1-2 more.

Juventus Offside Shitlist:
Claudio Marchisio- (1 Week) I love ya, kid, but need to stop thinking about money and a new contract and start playing.
Simone Pepe- (1 Week) For just proving everything we expected of him.
Paolo De Ceglie- (1 week) That kind of performance is not going to see you starting for long.

All in all, we should be disappointed with the result, but it is understandable. Bari is a squad that has remained pretty much the same and played the same, pacey, attacking, direct. They drew Inter 1-1 last year at the San Siro, a game they deserved to win after Diego Milito dove for a penalty, so they’re a strong side. And we are one very much in flux. But yes…..things need to improve.


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  • Osam
    Aaron i didn't see this on your facebook group
    Have u stop posing there
    (sorry if it has been asked already)
  • As of 30 September 2010 18:37:

    - The Bianconeri are negotiating with Borriello's agent Tiberio Cavalleri after agreeing terms with AC Milan. The 28-year old will join Juventus.

    - Juventus are close to signing additional defenders. Contacts with several agents and clubs are ongoing. In the meantime, Saint-Etienne's French centre-back Yohan Benalouane has landed in Milan and headed to the ATA Hotel Executive to sign a contract.

    - Juventus are in advanced talks with Stuttgart representatives in regard to German central defender Serdar Tasci. However, Wolfsburg's Andrea Barzagli and Fenerbahce's Diego Lugano are still under consideration.

    - Juventus may renew their interest for Napoli captain Paolo Cannavaro.

    - As regards to selling, Juventus right-back Jonathan Zebina may join Brescia. However, Fabio Grosso, Zdenek Grygera and Hasan Salihamidzic could remain until January 2011 since there are no official offers for them. In the meantime, Mauro Camoranesi is close to joining Stuttgart.

    Sigh..... None of these are exciting. Is it too much to ask to end the mercato with a high note, beppe?
  • Yahya
    Martinez..... What a waste of 12 million.
  • With the new stadium coming next year, and we are the only one in serieA, this is a good news right?
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/11...
  • I see we are still breaking records in the wrong kind of way.
  • Touche. With the new stadium coming next season, hopefully we're breaking ones the RIGHT kind of way.
  • Looks like we'll settle. Pazzo's not coming this season:
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/10...

    And the legend continues... somewhere else:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer...

    The not-so-legend also continues... as long as it's not here:
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/11...

    At home, a carnival begins... again:
    Gigi... return in 2011.
    Iaquinta... one month.
    Amauri... one month.
    Martinez... one month.
    Marchisio... 2-3 weeks.

    Did I miss anyone?
  • Krasic... right wing.
    Martinez... injured.
    Pepe... bleehh.
    Lanza... subs material, for now.

    PDC on the left wing anybody?
  • Guest
    olé nr 3 is out:
    http://www.football-italia.net/aug30u.html

    season starts great

    amauri martinez and now marchisio
  • Sam_Dj
    we are linked with numerous strikers and left backs but none whatsoever for a center back position...and bocchetti is off to rubin kazan, wtf
  • AT
    FUCK MY FUCKING LIFE! I FUCKING HATE THIS COMMENTING SYSTEM! ITS TOO MUCH FOR ME.
    http://www.football-italia.net...
    http://www.football-italia.net...
    just ignore me people...its for the greater good.....

    deep breaths deep breaths....like we practiced....ok better
  • AT
  • AT
    http://www.football-italia.net...
    yea go ahead sell ALL of our remaining creative players.....never mind that he is also a juve legend on TOP of that....
  • AT
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i DID NOT want to provide a link to shit. com.... i meant GOAL .com, self explanatory but i would not click on it....your choice though
  • Guest
    haha lol
  • AT
    nico: spot on. there was (surprisingly!) a great read on that not too long ago on shit.com. it basically went on to say how creative players are slowly disappearing especially in leagues like the EPL where so much more emphasis is being put on brute forces and athleticism that creative players dont have enough space to work their magic.
    SO, if juventus were to play in the EPL this squad would THEORETICALLY, once again, theoretically, be good. the 'only' problem is that creative players can often thrive in serie a so milan is definitely going to be a team to watch out for.
    sorta off topic.....i know.
  • According to Football-Italia, Juve is looking for a LB and Prima Punta.

    Apparently, we have these options for LB:
    1. Wayne Bridge (30), Manchester City, on loan or in exchange for Camoranesi (33).
    2. Joan Capdevila (32), Villarreal.
    3. Royston Drenthe (23), Real Madrid.
    4. Armand Traore (20), Arsenal.
    5. Reto Ziegler (24), Sampdoria.

    For Prima Punta:
    1. Karim Benzema (22), Real Madrid. Mou hates him, character issue.
    2. Marco Boriello (28), AC Milan. He'll loose his place to Ibra.
    3. Diego Forlan (31), Atl. Madrid. He's a second striker.
    4. Pazzo (26), Sampdoria. Samp is playing hard ball.

    What do you guys think? And whom do you prefer?
  • Prima Punta : Benzema
    Why? : Considering our current set-up and the slowly-dawning reality that our open-play/midfield creative abilities are still well under-par, we need a striker who is useful OUTSIDE the box and can play on his own . We need someone who's usefulness is not limited by the presence/absence of a seconda punta. Options 2 & 4 don't fall into that bracket. Option 3 does , BUT he's 74 yrs old, n i'll be damned if our idea of re-building the forward line is to buy ANOTHER 30-something year old forward. Karim has pace, great technique (can take on and beat defenders) he's good in the air and has an awesome shot. Yes he romps with under-aged prostitutes too , but that's bcuz he was largely idle for both club and country , a move to turin will keep him FULLY occupied

    LB : Ziegler/Traore

    Options 1 & 2 are disqualified by the same reasons I am not keen on forlan. Y swap a 65 yr old Grosso for a 64 yr old Capdevilla/Bridge ? Drenthe is an all action player and he'd do if we were really keen on the juventus legends reloaded theme (we got krasic to play nedved, so hand royston some goggles n let him play edgar davids!) but i think that while he's definitley more technically-gifted than PDC , he's ALSO more wingback than fullback ,.

    So that leaves us with Ziegler and Traore. Ziegler knows delneri from their time together at 'Doria and that's a plus, but Traore is from that duracell-run windmill that never stops churning out quality french fullbacks... If Wenger would deal, I'd say Armand
  • Nice analysis denny!
  • Comrade
    I really don't understand why there is even talk about Benzema. If I'm not wrong, Mourinho wanted to add another striker and he was told to go look in Madrid's cantera. Are there any rumors linking him to us?

    EDIT: Well, OK.. Apparently football italia has linked him to us amongst host of other players. In any case, the same website also reports that Borriello is a done deal - on loan.
  • Nnahoj
    According to juventus.com, Martinez will be out for 30 days.

    Smh...stupid signing.
  • Iaquinta, Amauri, now Martinez. Here we go again...
  • Sam_Dj
    don't forget marchisio! the injury party has just begun!
  • Comrade
    Apparently, Zebina is close to signing a contract with Brescia.
  • agiamba
    Quagliarella's father- "He was put in position to leave, in 24 hours the President did it all, telling him there was an open deal with Juventus. Fabio didn't figure anymore in Mazzarri's plans, and at the same time, was never accepted by some of his teammates. (Lavezzi, anyone?) It's a story I still can't understand, also since Napoli rated his value even lower. [Some Napoli fans suggested Quagliarella left for a bigger payday] "His salary? I am ready to swear in front of the Madonna of Pompei that my son earns at Juventus, the same salary that De Laurentiis gave him. If the move was for money, he would have gone to Rubin Kazan who offered him more than 3million euros a year. [Quags father is still very disappointed] I came to Bari with death in my heart. I would have preferred to travel to Firenze to watch the match tonight at the Artemio Franchi."
  • Frusciante
    Any news regarding Vincenzo Camilleri? Is he going to play in the first team?
  • Heard he'll join the youth team.
  • Interr
    hahahahaha
  • nico
    fucking hell- i am terrified of milan now. if they get robinho too...god help us.
    what makes me really jealous of milan is how their team is made up of such good FOOTBALLERS. almost all of their front 6-ish players are creative.

    which is the difference with juve, who are a team of ATHELETES. are roster (in general) has a lot of very good runners, but not a lot of footballing quality and creativity. melo, sissoko, pepe can run all day, but are no good on the ball, whereas lanza, krasic, and marchisio are all less extreme examples.
    this leaves us with incredibly little creativity. whats more worrying is that our 3 most creative players in our team- diego, giovinco and camoranesi are all gone or in the process of leaving.

    i would say a the moment the players with the most footballing talent in our team are del piero, aquilani, camoranesi, and then occasionally motta, marchisio and quagliarella- i think its important we have as many of these players on the pitch as possible
  • Lord knows i'd take a benzema/pazzini over boriello/quagliarella ANY day, but right now our reality is a bit different from Milan's ... we are NOT in the Champions League this year and that's a big minus from our selling proposition...apart from players like krasic (who for some reason are just stuck-like-glue on playing for us) our chances of signing the 'creative players' u speak of are pretty slim because they all want to play on the big stage and we cannot guarantee that opportunity at the moment...

    worse still our manager is (not yet!) at the level where he is such a motivational force (like mourinho, wenger or SAF) that players would walk to turin and slash their current wages in half just to be managed by him neither can we blow the competition out of the water by offering wages they can't match (like man city can)

    as it is we are stuck with italian 'athletes' for whom playing for the legendary juve (our recent misfortunes notwithstanding!)is the highest honour
  • juve fan
    Krasic did not performed well and lack of attacking let Juve down.
  • Comrade
    Krasic started out quite brightly and faded with the team. He should have been given full 90 minutes, just like Melo. Pepe should have been the first one to be taken out. Maybe De Ceglie too, but there is no adequate replacement for him.
  • adpforever
    people please, if anyone thinks deceglie is a juventus type quality player, we are certainly in a sad state of affairs, I think he he is quite possibly the worst on the team, he really sucks real bad, awful.... and will this team please stop pawning marchisio off as some future superstar? this guy sucks, bad... he's weak and has no skill... he doesnt make plays. hes brutal. cant stand him. he's there because hes blonde and blue eyed, and they want to make him their next "delpiero" or legend because they are in dire need of one.. he has no business being on this team.. he was invisible at juve last year, all year!!! and was invisible at the world cup, and continues to be of no significance.. giovinco is a hundred times better and we gave him away for nothing.. brutal.
  • OMG I hate De Ceglie
  • Marco
    There is much worse than decelgie on this team. He'll come around - imo he should be perched in midfield anyway, and would likely do a better job on the wings that a useless PEPE. Throw him in LM, send pepe to the bench, and get a respectable LB and you'll see things change around a bit on that left side.

    Marchisio is an overrated wonder as well. Im not saying he is bad, I'm saying he is average. He's like a DDR, made one or two good plays in his career and suddenly he's untouchable. Why is it, we let the talent slide through our fingers as they rot on the bench (Giovinco) and we grasp our collective claws around average talent (Marchisio), useless shit (pepe), and the old guard (Del Piero)... I cannot for the life of me understand this bullshit mentality that only prevails in Italian football... Truly I don't see such nonsense in just about any other sport around the world. Look at Formula One, Ferrari goes out every year and tries to get the best driver, Schumacher, Raikkonan, Alonso... They don't say, "Wait, we have alonso, put him as the third driver, and go out and get Sutil to partner Massa, that should win us the championship" - Really this isn't ground breaking, you may not agree with this at face value, but objectively you know it's true - we have to stop.... Getting Borriello will simply make this breakdown even more true, spending money on mediocrity is not going to do anything for us in the long run except waste the clubs finances. Look how hard it was for us to get rid of Tiago - who do you think will be chomping at the bit for Pepe and Quags after this season is done...
  • hant00
    i'm all for putting PDC in midfield, but for one small glitch: Delneri likes his wingers to exchange sides often in a match. i imagine PDC as RM, however brief, would be a lot worse than as LB.

    and unless Lanzafamme, Krasic, and Martinez improve their workrate and willingness to trackback, i guess we have to accept that Pepe will get a lot of playing time. That's just how GDN prefers it: never put adventurous-type players on both wings
  • HR
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/10...

    MARROTA: YOU WILL LOOK LIKE AN ASS NOW
  • in pre-season, milan fans were bitching about their teams' absence from the transfer market and were casting envious glances at the dizzying spate of ins and outs over in turin ... fast forward a wee bit to the week after the 1st round of games and milan fans are celebrating a display of champagne football against lecce and the arrival of zlatan ibrahimovic to make the champagne stuf even more bubbly ... alas over in turin, we r licking our wounds after an opening day shock loss at bari and the not-to-impressive showings of our new faces...

    funny game football eh? ....i am shocked ...nah, make that pained that the 2010/11 season should start this way for us. but i'm not throwing in the towel just yet ... i (would like to)imagine that there's a whole lot more to come from del neri and the new juventus (we started 5 new players yesterday right?) we r a work in progress and while good results are crucial to re-building confidence they are not the be-all-and-end-all...

    the calciopoli and the sanctions imposed on us by the FIGC robbed us of our kryptonite i.e. good organization and consistency) since our return from serie b, we have had three false starts and the team we have 3/4 years later bears no semblance to the one we had on our return... but we really can't afford to throw out both the baby and the bathwater and start afresh every year , cuz everytime we do that we fall even further behind in our journey on the road to redemption ...

    inter, barca, chelsea ... take a look at the top teams in europe and you'll see that they've had a consistent spine for the last 3-4 years and all they do each summer is to fortify the spine, we on the other hand,have had three attempts at creating a spine which we have ripped to shreds and gone back to re-creating time and time again ...

    yes del neri has lost his first league game and marotta looks like he secco 2.0, BUT we must keep the faith and avoid knee-jerk reactions ... let's give the new juve until at least the end of the season before we gather at the guillotine ...

    may the force be with us
  • Secco is not even CLOSE to Marotta Denny. If Marotta were garbage, Secco would be a cockroach eating from the trashcan. And this is not hyperbole, it's fact. So let's not go crazy with the comparisons.

    You mentioned Milan? If I were a Rossonero fan, I wouldn't get too excited. Yes their first win was convincing, yes Ronnie-Zlatan-Pato looks good (if they get Robinho even better), but their squad depth and their coach is still raising serious questions. And like others pointed out, their opponents Lecce are nowhere near the level of Bari, which was probably the worst choice (not that we had any) we could make for a team to play on matchday 1.

    As far as spines go, our post-calciopoli backbone was inherently flawed in that we put the wrong upper management in charge. You'll pardon me for continuing your anatomical metaphor, but it's as if we put all the right bones and spinal discs in place, but then failed to provide them with the appropriate connective tissue and nervous system. No wonder it crumbled and lead us straight into the wall.

    Our new spine, the one which was laid in this Summer, is hopefully gonna be lasting much longer because at its base, the nervous system is functioning: Agnelli & Marotta are the right people for the job, because contrary to Blanc & Secco they understand what their job requires. All that's left is finding the right bones & spinal discs, and even though some of the current ones may be cancerous (I'm thinking players who just don't cut it at Juve), they can be replaced. It will take time, but at least our foundations (the most important part of the club) are solid.
  • very nice post Denny.
    The spine is the main problem. Look at the example from Real Madrid...each year they go and buy a lot of players and they haven't been able to go beyond round of 16 in the CL with all that money spent. Juve in the other hand was severely affected do to the relegation to serie B where we lost half of our spine and right now the only player from that spine is ADP. That's why I think we need Camo back and Buffon to give us confidence...also we need to sign 2 star players...we can't keep signing average players because we will become a middle table team.
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