Progress

By: agiamba | February 18th, 2010
   

The Europa League is a strange thing, eh? Roma’s defensive solidarity and 4-month unbeaten streak came to a halt in Athens, and in Amsterdam we won…and Amauri scored, twice. I feel like we’ve entered the Twilight Zone, although somethings don’t change- Del Piero remains a champion, and Zebina returns to his godawful self. Full review after the jump.

First, some thoughts on Uefa. I don’t like to call conspiracy, and I’m not here, but in the last few years, referee decisions have really hampered Serie A clubs. You could talk about Materazzi’s undeserved red card in the crucial Liverpool game a few years ago. Last year, Fiorentina was horribly screwed in the group stages (suspension to Gilardino, among other things) and just when Juventus looked like we were going to defeat Chelsea, the ref sent Chiellini off for an offense that even English commentators couldn’t understand.

This year, Milan were denied some crucial calls against Manchester United (Ferdinand taking down Dinho with no-call) and in the group stages, Fiorentina striker Gilardino received a ridiculous red card for a non-intentional, non-contacting elbow against Lyon’s Toulalan. I won’t rehash the Fiorentina-Bayern game, because everyone knows about it. For Juventus, Maccabi beat us up and it took three horror tackles for one of them finally to get sent off. I won’t cry about us missing the knockouts because we all know we didn’t deserve to get there, but Bordeaux’s 75th minute equalizer in Turin was offside…with 3 points there, we would have gone through.

It’s not the bad calls that annoy me, it’s the inconsistency. If referees were giving bad calls to all teams, that’s one thing, but poor calls seem to have disproportionately harmed Serie A teams. Two clear examples- Yesterday, somehow Gobbi was sent off for a maybe-yellow-cardable offense, whereas Klose’s two-foot studs up tackle produced nothing. Today, we saw the double standard as well, though thankfully it was late enough in the game that it didn’t affect the result- Salihamidzic was sent off for a high challenge, one VERY similar to the one Suarez attempted in the 62nd minute, where he only received a yellow card.

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Not everybody was kung-fu fighting, according to the referee.

UEFA referees need to get better, and fast. Recently, Juventus have received two non-penalties against Lazio and Genoa, respectively, and Serie A referees need to improve as well. (Making them professional is step #1) With all due respect to Serie A, though, knockout games like Bayern-Fiorentina are a lot more delicate than league games. Genoa may feel hard done from poor refereeing, but there’s a lot of points left to play for. In the knockout stages, though, these small incidents can make a team progress, or be knocked out. Other than sporting achievements, there’s some serious financial implications here too- Genoa and Juventus money situation doesn’t change from one Serie A game, advancing to the quarter-finals can entail at least 5million euros in money.

But enough about the piss-poor referees! Onto the piss poor players! (and some good ones):

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“Surely we did concede a few opportunities because they are a team of great value and we played in a very warm stadium and so it unavoidable to concede certain opportunities. The goal conceded was one which we have been suffering quite a few of recently. We did not commit a tactical foul and I found him right in front of me and couldn’t do anything. If I had at least 5 centimetres more I would have managed to save it.”

LE PAGELLE:

Buffon: 6- Looked a bit shaky at times and perhaps has not fully recovered psychologically from his error against Genoa, but at the end when we were under fire, he looked unbeatable.

Zebina: 4.5- After a very solid game against Genoa, he blew this one hard. He’s a pretty pacey guy, unlike Legrottaglie, but he was beaten to ball after ball, and on Ajax’s goal, it just seemed like he jogged and watched the guy blow by. No effort whatsoever to stop him.
Legrottaglie: 5.5- A good challenge in the box that saw an Ajax player wrongly get a yellow card for simulation, but Ajax’s pace troubled him. Seemed indecisive at times. That said, pace isn’t a crucial thing for a CB to have, it’s a bonus, but, for example, Cannavaro even at his height was never particularly fast. The midfield needs to help out on counter-attacks more.
Chiellini: 7- With his speed, he had no trouble keeping up and closed Ajax’s attack down well. Had a good change to score down at the other end, too, Giorgio was typically beastly.

Legrottaglie: «This is for us an injection of faith»

One of the best players on the field at the Amsterdam Arena was without any doubt Nicola Legrottaglie who played with eligance and efficiency. (Really, Mr. Juventus.com editor?)

«It was quite some time since we did not win two consecutive matches and we did so in a great stadium against a great team and this is for us an injection of faith and we hope we will continue like this as from Bologna on Sunday».

The only black dot is the yellow card received: «The yellow card was my fault because I told the referee a bit too vociferly that it was the second foul the player had committed».

What has changed? : «We are trying to get used to the formations tried out by the coach during the week and we are seeing the first results».

Ajax however played a good match: «They have a number of very talented and promising players but it is easier to play in the Dutch championship rather then on European level or in the Italian championship».

Some may argue that the Europa League is nothing like the champions League and yet it has its value: «The Europa League is a very respectible competition and progressing in this competition for us would be very important and satisfying».

Three matches a week is no joke and fatigue may have the upper hand: «Playing 3 matches a week is not easy but i am sure the coach will deal with this well. After all we are convinced that the more you play and the more you win you do not feel tired and the more you want to play. If we manage to register a third consecutive victory on Sunday nobody will say we’re tired».

Marchisio: 5.5- We’ve all seen how Marchisio’s effectiveness is limited playing as a winger. Playing as a wingback, even worse. His game was limited to containing Ajax, and he really never broke out of his defensive role. Moved to center-midfield a bit later when the formation changed, and improved a bit.
Felipe Melo: 5.5- Improved as the game went on, but Melo and Sissoko had a duel to see who’s distribution was worse. I can’t pick a winner (or loser, depending on how you see it) but Melo seemed slow to pick out a target and confused players a few times, playing it against their run, etc. Shame Marchisio didn’t play in his stead.
Sissoko: 5.5- Melo’s passing was mediocre, Sissoko’s was equally bad and they got into each others way a few times, clearly, their roles were not defined well enough by Zaccheroni. He had a few good plays, and then would ruin it by some boneheaded ones immediately after.
De Ceglie: 6.5- The best of the midfielders. PDC has been fairly inconsistent lately, a good performance two weeks ago negated by a mediocre one against Genoa, but I argue his inconsistency is due to his inconsistency in playing. Give him a run out, and he’ll solidify his game more. He offers a hell of a lot more than Grosso, given his pace, grit, and offensive talent. Perfect cross to Amauri for the first goal.

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“I thank the coach for the kind words he said to me after the match. I also want to thank my team-mates for their marvelous display of football they put on this evening. I may be 35-and-a-half years old, but I do not feel that old. I feel good, and want to continue to play for as long as possible.” Grande Capitano!!

Diego: 5.5- I’ve defended Diego in past weeks, saying he can’t do it all on his own, and I agree. Now that Amauri and Del Piero have awaken from their slumber, one would expect Diego to have a bit more freedom, and attack a bit more. I think it’s natural, not intended, that Diego drifts far too far from the goal. He’s not playing as a trequartista, he’s playing more of a roaming regista, but he’s more effective up closer to goal, and he played a fairly inconsistent game.

Del Piero: 7- This guy leads with his heart. In a tough environment with fouls all over the place, ADP not only held his own but produced brilliantly. He found a weakness on Ajax’s right-flank and exploited it all game. Brilliant move to free De Ceglie to cross, he found space where there was none. Then provided a perfect assist to Amauri for his doppietta. I wondered if he’d be ready physically for this game, we saw last year that his performances dropped when required to play twice a week often, though maybe the stage, our inaugural Europa League game, in Amsterdam, against Ajax, was all the motivation he needed.
Amauri: 7.5- Vintage Amauri goals, unstoppable in the air. Amauri also made a few decent runs and looked a lot more active up front, but there still is kind of a lack of understanding with some of the other players. To be a great striker, Amauri needs to be more consistent (obviously) but also develop the ability to score with his feet. He can hold the ball up well, he can score with his head, but the aforementioned quality is missing.

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“I am happy and satisfied. I really needed these goals, I couldn’t wait. I thank God and hope to continue like this…[regarding his substitution] I had the same problem on Sunday, a slight pain to the sciatica nerve. Nothing serious though. The problem is that playing two consecutive matches within a few days and without resting leaves its effect immediately.”

Zaccheroni: 6.5- I didn’t like the lineup, and I still don’t, but as I’ll discuss later, I like what AZ is doing.
Grygera: 6- Came in for Zebina against his old club, and put in a typical Grygera performance- defensively solid, though never really contributed offensively. (Given that he was playing in a 3-man backline, that is totally acceptable)
Salihamidzic: 5.5- Determined as ever and chased down plenty of opponents to help and try close out the game…but oops.

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Things I Think I Think:
#1- Is Amauri Back? Not yet. This question came up a bit in October. Amauri has gone through waves of form, he started out the season in red-hot form, and was incredibly unlucky not to score against Chievo, Genoa, and Lazio. Then, it seemed frustration set in, and he played shitty until one week in October, when he scored against Fiorentina, Siena, and two against Sampdoria. Then, he took a 4 month hiatus. So, you’ll forgive me if I’m not too excited about his goals- it’s good to see him back, and playing hungry, but he needs to score consistently like Trezeguet, not hammer 4 in and take a vacation.
#2- Zaccheroni is making good changes: I groaned a bit when I saw the starting lineup. Melo-Sissoko in midfield? Marchisio on the wing? Zebina still in defense? We started out mediocre, but we improved. There were moments when we were actually passing the ball around and playing like a team. Hooking Zebina at the half was a very smart decision, and perhaps Zaccheroni has figured out how to regenerate Amauri. Here’s his post-game thoughts:

Zaccheroni: «An important victory at an important moment»

At the end of the match at Amsterdam Arena a satisfied Zaccheroni commented the match played by his players: «We knew we had to suffer. It is true that Ajax lacks a bit of personality on an individual level but on a collective level they play well, a very airy game, never lose the ball, participate collectively in the action and if you are not in the right condition it is complicated to get the upper hand».

Zaccheroni was right when he spoke of the team before the match: «I said we would suffer and we would have to strike at the right moment and so it was. We registered an important victory at an important moment» .

Finally a comment on Amauri: «He knows how to play football. I repeat what I said before he got back to scoring: with him you are never a player less. He is a player who plays both with his back to goal and facing it and does so very well. Today we looked for him in the position he is supposed to be and the result can be seen».

#3- The Return Leg in Turin: It looks good. 2-1 advantage in Amsterdam, with Suarez suspended for the 2nd leg. Let’s hope some of the kids get to play, oh say…Sebastian Giovinco. I’m not saying throw in the Primavera, and given the last two matchdays of the Champion’s League, we can’t count the result done, but if we screw it up, it’ll only be our faults.
#4- NBC SUCKS: I’m not a big fan of the Summer Olympics, but damn, I love the Winter Olympics, the only thing I don’t care to watch is figure skating. (Which is still very impressive) For all you Yanks out there, I think you’ll agree NBC’s coverage has been dreadful. There have been several events that have been shelved from TV to be used in highlights. And when the reporters talk, it’s just patronizing stupid bullshit that comes out of their mouth. Case in point:

Today’s win was perhaps a bit undeserved, but a huge morale boost nonetheless. SEMPRE JUVE!!


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  • Blanda_Amania
    Giovinco needs game time to get better. If it takes moving to a team that will give it to him to show what he got, he's gotta take it. Didn't Caceres go through the same thing with Barca? A diamond in the rough on Barca bench is now starting to shine with Juve because he's getting time. Gio's minor flaws will only improve with experience. Being an aging player myself, I feel for the likes of Canno, Camo, and ADP, but there will be a point when they and the management will need to be ok with converting them to super subs to sustain high, efficient energy throughout the entire game. In order to do that, they need to increase minutes and field responsibilities for the young ones until they have the self confidence, and the trust of management to be starting 11.
  • j
    i got to disagree with you, jiji_pl....

    giovinco, the arguement over him is endless, all i'm going to say is, give him a chance, if he flopped badly or just couldnt fit in, sell him, player starts because of their quality, man utd's scholes cant tackle, but he's brings a lot more to the attacking side, hence his place is merit, messi too, in the end players cover their weakness and strengths have to be balanced. and in our situation, melo and sissoko only has to do their stuff right, leave the attacking to those that are paid to do so

    camo, everytime i see him play, he's easily the best player on the field, i think he's enjoying the game, but he cant play regularly, he's too old and too injury-prone, but i'm sure secco is looking to offload him, just like nedved, seriously that guy's the only one who doesnt deserve a second chance, sorry i mean XXX th chance
  • mufid
    none of this ajax players is juve material.
  • Matt
    Hey guys, long-time reader, first-time poster as the cliche goes. First off, I'd like to thank alessio and roberto for their fantastic work on this blog. Always an interesting read with up-to-date info, which is pretty much all we can ask for :)

    Anyway, there seem to be the usual transfer rumours regarding Gregory Van der Wiel from Ajax. I missed the game during the week so didn't get to see him in action. What do you guys think? Is he Juve standard? Did he play well against us?
  • j
    i think the american franchise system is a better alternative. you have salary caps to prevent clubs like man city and chelsea scaling to the summit overnight.

    this doesn't mean the bigger, more trophies-laden clubs are neglected, i mean they would naturally have a large fanbase and TV income, prestige, etc. so they would always be in the competition after a few down years, while the smaller clubs have a chance to make it big
  • his body is prolly not used to scoring goals this often
    :D
  • agiamba
    I think the MLS is gravitating towards the European-style...but to be successful, it takes a while. Relegation/promotion would destroy a lot of team's finances and threaten the league right now, and a single-team format without playoffs wouldn't really appeal to most Americans, they have to convince a skeptical public.

    They are doing better- Some European stars help, real soccer stadiums...they got rid of that ridiculous shootout/penalty rule where the guy started from half field...etc. I remember a time when clocks counted down from 90 minutes in the US.
  • Ivo
    Yeah, I guess it is a culture difference. I just had thought that the MLS was trying to be more similar to how the world plays the game after MLS' miserable failure over the last 20 years. Beckham, old european stars, customizing stadiums for soccer instead of playing on hashmarks...I kind of convinced myself they were trying to be more "true" to the game, but maybe my selfish European self was wrong.

    I definitely get annoyed with stupid, disrespectful things they have at the stadiums, really hope that will change soon. Cuz the football is actually getting better and better.

    Btw, can Trez play 90 minutes Sunday? Is he that fit yet? If not, I see Immobile or Paolucci playing some, which is exciting. Amauri is apparently injured, his body is prolly not used to scoring goals this often. Not yet at least.
  • mufid
    The ajax fans made the atmosphere like it were the CL semifinal or something and it was great in giving some morale to our players.
    also, it feels good to win on european stage, i missed that feeling which lasts 2 to 3 days afterward.
    (do melo and sissoko have to be played together all the time?)
  • agiamba
    Marco, yeah, the scoreline flattered us a bit. Ajax didn't carve us up too much, and there were periods where we were passing it around and looking like a team, but we had 3 shots, they had 12, we had 33% possession, they had 67%.

    TLDR: The defense held up alright, the midfield was pretty lackluster, and the offense was terrific.
  • Daniel
    fun game, find Ferrara's son and a blond Legrottaglie in the following pic:
    http://www.juventus.com/site/f...
  • agiamba
    Ivo, I think the marching band goes with what papai was saying...different cultures. I think a lot of American sports are dedicated to entertainment over actual competition. That's why there is such concern over league parity, that's why there's cheerleaders and marching bands, and that's why there's that annoying ass song that goes "Everybody clap your hands!" Soccer in the US is no different, hence all the bizarre non-FIFA rules it has gone through.

    Depends on your view, I personally find a lot of the frivolous stuff annoying. Marching band at halftime, that's not bad...much better than the annoying guy in the booth that tries to keep the crowds awake. It's not a carnival, it's a sports match. Thankfully, my hometown Rochester Rhinos keep bullshit relatively to a minimum.
  • Ivo, I think its pretty cool to have your own dedicated marching band following the team every match. Maybe it can evolve to something inspirational like the bugle of torino
  • Blanda_Amania
    Ivo, I've never noticed the marching band watch your team on MLS! That's pretty cool, I think, but I like music in all forms. I even like the sound on drumming during a game. Anything is better than those horns they'll be blowing in South Africa though!
  • Sofia
    Ivo - I don't know, maybe I'm bias as a TFC fan and we have some crazy stuff in our stadium. I mean we have people in the stands playing the congo drum (I believe) and othr kinds of drums. We don't have a full on marching band, but i guess everyone is allowed to express themselves? I think Europeans would laugh at them, but welcome to the MLS :P
  • For those speaking Italian, more Marcello Chirico goodness (post-Man Utd 2-0 Inter in 2009):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Btw alessio, I couldn't watch the game but aside from Giorgio, PDC, ADP, and Amauri, you were pretty severe on all Bianconeri on the field huh? From that it seems the only positive thing coming from Amsterdam was the final score...
  • Blanda_Amania
    Alessio, I read that and felt so bad for the guy. Someone did not do his research. Poor guy. I wonder if someone give him a call to let him know he messed up after reading that.
  • Ivo
    A bit off topic, gentlemen (& Sophia :)), but I'd like your opinion on a specific topic. Here in Seattle we have the Sounders, a new MLS team that did quite well for their first pro year (Ljungberg plays for us at 83).

    One thing I absolutely hate about the team is that they have a MARCHING BAND. This is a professional football club, with a pretty good "ultras" section for an American soccer team, yet they are a joke (at least in my eyes) cuz they have a stupid marching band on the stands.

    I have been arguing with my best friends that this is an embarrassment for the sport, what do you guys think?
  • alessio

    shows how different the sporting cultures on both sides of the atlantic are... can be extrapolated to america and the world too, since nowhere else i have heard of the franchisee system. Seems the perfectly capitalist solution too - if you have the money you play at the top level, otherwise sell your franchisee to a new owner! too bad for the supporters of the lower league clubs oops franchisees though :P
  • Jorid
    Garcia looks like a determined guy. Hopefully he can show his talent with the Primavera and hopefully we'll bring back Ekdal, Ariaudo and Criscito permanently at the end of the season.
  • agiamba
    He did, Papai...and he traded his career based on that assumption.
  • agiamba
    Here's an interview (in Swedish) with our new signing Carlos Garcia, young defender. Say it's his dream to play alongside Chiellini and win the CL.

    Google translate for the non-Swedish speakers: (like myself)-

    http://translate.google.com/tr...
  • They are one of the favourites for promotion this year.

    omg! Dont tell me someone actually fell for it
  • j
    someone who could stand up for us, bring moggi back!
  • Sofia
    "I don't know why Mourinho is angry at Juventus because after all, look at all the favours he has enjoyed with Inter," - Luciano Moggi on Mou's recent remarks regarding ADP's penalty
  • Jorid
    Ale I read that shit too on Dirty Tackle. I feel bad for the guy. Not only did he leave Hartlepool where he was apparently a key figure, but he left them for the P.R Islanders! LOL.
  • agiamba
    Hahahha quality. Check this article out, I laughed my ass off. This guy is in for a rude awakening.

    When David Foley -- a reserve for League One club Hartlepool United (pictured above, center), not the guy from Kids in the Hall -- heard the Puerto Rico Islanders were interested in him, he got excited. So excited, in fact, that he convinced Pools -- the club he's been with for eight years and debuted with the first team at the age of 16 -- to release him from his contract so he could sign with Puerto Rico, a top side in the USL First Division. They did and now he's on his way to the sunny shores of the beautiful Caribbean island.
    Foley shared a few excited words with Hartlepool's official website, which were then reprinted by Sky Sports without comment, with one curious line standing out (emphasis added):

    "Pre-season starts on March 15 and the season starts in April. They play in the US League, which is one below the MLS. They are one of the favourites for promotion this year."

    While it's true the Islanders are one of the better teams in the USL (they finished third last season), it might be tough for them to be promoted to the MLS, since, you know, the U.S. leagues don't have a promotion/relegation system. So Foley's dream of reaching the top flight of American soccer with his fellow Islanders will have absolutely no way of happening under the current setup.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer...
  • Anti-english Juve love: http://media.photobucket.com/i...
  • agiamba
    Roberto and I do our best, ptrzanoto. It is sad the amount of blogs that die around here.

    Mo, I agree 100%. Now is time to rotate the team and give some people a break...while playing some people who so desperately need the time. (ahem, Giovinco)

    TeamGREASE, I love that image.
  • @ptrzanoto
    sincerely,alessio, i'm just commenting in this post to thank you. usually, i check out the theoffside blog of the team la vecchia has just played against. i went on to the ajax offside. their last post was FOUR FREAKING MONTHS AGO. On the other hand, you post in average 3~4 times a week. I kept on looking through other theoffside blogs, only to find out more and more abandoned pages.
    so, summarizing, thanks a lot for writing that often and that well,really.
  • a milan fan found it for me http://www.simonegrassi.net/wp...
  • HELP! Anyone remember an Anti-Inter ultraz banner, in the style of Van Gogh, from a few years ago? i think it said "watching Inter is crazy"

    I need it.
  • Mo
    Amauri, Diego and delpiero should be rested for bolognia. Trez and giovinco should definatly get some playing time.
  • Gaetano
    Zebina was torched on that goal. He literally watched that guy burn him. To play with three at the back, we need some world class defenders. At the moment we have one.

    After watching the hlights i think something has definitely changed. Hopefully we can ride the momentum and avoid injuries. Maybe we had so many injuries before because the players were being played out of position. Not sure what i am trying to say but hopefully we won t have too many more.

    Zac seems to have the players focused. Also, Having a full squad soon will help us.
  • j
    impossible*
  • j
    i don't think its quite possible, the worst is he leave milan, but to join juve? can't imagine that
  • Giro
    'vintage amauri' was all me you should cite your sources alessio, lol
  • Jorid
    Actually, now that I think about it: HELL NO! Galliani's old, and he just brought Amantino Mancini to Milan... Also, although they had some money, he couldn't even bring Aly Cissokho to Milan during the summer. Him and Secco can both jump off a cliff.
  • Jorid
    al: I wouldn't really believe it unless I saw it happen. With that said, Galliani knows how to run a club that's for sure, and he can do an even better job if he'd be surrounded by someone like Bettega. His decision-making however, has at times(especially lately) been even sketchier than Alessio Secco's.
  • al
    Galliani in Juve's board. Is it a joke?
    http://football-italia.net/feb...
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