Photos: Juventus Fiorentina – Draw
By: roberto | October 18th, 2009Question of the day: Who’s the quote from? All the match photos after the jump.
“It was a difficult match. It was important for us to win the three points but I think all in all we are happy. In certain instances we let the rhythm drop and we didn’t manage to win. Me and my mates can never be happy unless we are first. Today, we had many goal opportunities but we didn’t manage to score the winner”.
“It is a bit different but I do feel I should be scoring more. Definitely I feel more comfortable closer to goal but I am forced to start further back to keep possession of the ball. I think we played very well, definitely better then in previous games especially in the first half. We improved a lot however all the team realizes that we must improve further. We want to win, however”.
IERI… OGGI… DOMANI… SEMPRE JUVE!!!
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Very displeased about our second half performance. Our work rate dropped right off the map. You could almost hear Prandelli licking his lips when we couldn’t defend man to man nearly as closely as we were in the first 45. Maybe it was psychological in that the lads were frustrated at the ref, lack of converting chances, or bad luck on bounces. However, this is soccer and thus the way it goes sometimes.
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wtf..Almiron scored for Bari today
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a sick header too.
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It was Diego’s quote.
And following a subject for the previous post, I think the main difference between how other teams play differently against us and Inter is that they are scared of them. Inter have dropped how many points in the last four years? Ok, maybe they were lucky, maybe the refs. helped them, maybe they even deserved, but the fact is that whenever a team faces Inter, they know they have very slim chances of wining (or even drawing).
We does not scare anyone lately (probably juve fans are the only ones scared), and Camo said it last season after Chievo match I think, they play against us knowing they can actually win… ok, my gf called and I forgot what I wanted to say. So next subject…
I think it is not completely fault of our defense, it’s more like our player with defensive duties. Our midfield is letting the opposition reach our defense too easily. IMO Grygera had a bad game yesterday, but it was because nobody was covering the right flank (Sissoko didn’t really know where he was playing). I think Sissoko and Melo can play togheter, specially in games against good offensive teams, but somebody has to tell Sissoko he should recover the ball and then pass it to the nearest juve player (closer than 2 m if possible). He could just leave the ball there for another juve player to take it, that would be much easier. And the same goes to Chiellini. I know he hasn’t been playing bad defensively, but how many long ball did he trow yesterday? how many bad passes? I specially remember once he decided he was going to save the team so he ran forward, just to lose the ball and leave two fiore players against Canavaro and Gigi.
And alessio, I also disagree with the wingers plan. Maybe fiore’s flanks were their weakest area, but for me a cross it’s really a gamble (and this is a very personal opinion). It depends on a lot of things to go right. First you need a good cross (not something we can be proud of lately), so to get that you pretty much need to cross without anyone marking you (Camo might have get a chance or 2 in 10 min, but PDC? really? when the other team is defending? A counterattack, maybe). Then you need to actually hit the ball with your head properly, which is really hard with a tall guy like Dainelli around. And after that you need to direct the ball really far away from the keeper, cuz unless you have a very good cross and you are standing in the are waiting for the cross (all alone), it’s hard to get a strong header. Amauri got a couple of chances after two pretty decent Grygera crosses, but the header was too weak.
Ok, many people might disagree (since it’s controversial to say the least), but i think you have less control of the play if you are crossing (and the other team knows you are going to cross, so they will just wait for it to happen).
I’m really depressed, as you can see. I’ll stop now or I won’t do any work today (yeah working Saturday and Sunday plus another depressing juve performance, great weekend!).
P.S. I need some PES or Wining eleven to kick some viola butts.
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I totally agree Pablo. That’s what I was getting at yesterday. Taking out our main creative force who can create stuff on the ground to put in wingers just to lump crosses in the air and hope someone gets to them when you are trying to win is just not the best move. We could have had both (the trequartista in the middle plus the wingers) which would have increased our creation of chances, but by taking out Diego for Trez we ended up with only one real option, and that was to lump the ball into the box for the two big men. That’s way to easy for teams to defend against, and when the two central defenders you’re playing against are Dainelli and Gamberini (who are tall and better in the air than on the ground) you’re making your chances even slimmer. If Ferrara does that again when we’re chasing the game, then I give up on him. Seriously.
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In a close game like that, against a team where home and away results might come back to haunt us (or them like it did last season), you play your fucking studs for 90 mins if they’re 100% fit. Regardless of Wednesday’s game.
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missed everything this weekend because of holiday.
oh boy am i disappointed to see we simply haven’t progressed one bit!
i’ll keep my faith in ferrara IF he got the guts to chance,… Im well aware in football you need time to let things develop, BUT if you conclude after 2 MONTS things are not getting better, then its time to act and try something else. there is enough quality in juve’s squad.
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Grygera played like shit but suprising poulson was pretty good…However much I like iaquinta i feel like he is hogging the ball and losing too manychances to score and what about caceres??definitely better than grygera… Don t like the 2 pronged attack with diego behind.. Diego should be more forward
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As I have mentioned in the previous post also, the core problem lies with playing two static strikers up front. This implies that we are effectively playing with 10 men, as the two men at the attacking third are just waiting for a final ball, and not creating anything themselves. This problem is easily solved by playing a Seconda Punta (we all know who), but apparently all is not well inside the locker room. The two ways to counter this are to play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. 4-4-2 will eventually ensue the same problems with the same set of strikers, because our crossing ability is poor on the left and non existent on the right. Also, crosses can be contered much more easily by italian defensive set ups. The option remaining is thus the 4-2-3-1, which ferrara should have played in the last game also, instead of the weird sytem which degenerated into some sort of 4-1-2-1-2 as the game progressed due to the meanderings of Sissoko. A 4-2-3-1 will add some more spine to the middle of the park, as well as some mobility, at the cost of a striker who is just eating up a slot currently.
Obviously, this discussion is irrelevant if Gio plays as the second strker in a 4-3-1-2, but we all know that is not gonna happen
Damn it ciro, prove me wrong!Posted from
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I have to say, I agree with Alessio when he says we need to practice and perfect the 4-3-1-2 formation as this is really the best fit for our team. We finally have a trequartista, so we better fucking use him in a Kaka type of role – aka as an attacking mid. We were playing at home and the two static strikers should have been nested but it was crucial that we put up the firepower up the field with Amauri & Iaquinta. Giovinco (imho) should be played when we play away and we are counting on our counter attack. At home, it is Diego’s, Poulsen’s (or Camo or Marchisio) and Grosso’s job to employ our strikers. Grygera can’t cross (not that he can actually do anything else), melo and sissoko are pretty defensive minded and are hardly good passers, and Tiago is more of a warrior out there when he comes in rather than a creator. To be honest, against Fiorentina, Diego was more of a Pirlo player than a Kaka player, he came back way to deep to get the ball and he was too far out to create something for Amauri and Iaquinta. Amauri failed at recognizing that and instead of setting himself up as a target man, he played as up field as Iaqinta which obviously is fruitless.
When we play at home, we need to be dominant. We need to play like those 20 minutes after we conceded the goal to Fiorentina – dominate possession, throw everything at the defense, and execute. And we need to play like that for 90 minutes, no matter who we play on Wednesday (as forementioned by Roberto). When we play away against more solid teams, we need to take advantage of our quickness (Gio + Diego + Camo) and make sure our counter attack is so lethal that teams are afraid to give up possession carelessly. I do think Ferrara fails to realize this and until he does, Juve will suffer.
And Pablo couldn’t have said it better. Italian teams are scared of Inter, while they are excited to play us and beat us. Until we are dominant in our game, passing, and creativity, we will be the favorite everyone bullies with. And buying 10 brazilian trequartistas won’t help us until we find a fluidity in our game. As many are already, I am too skeptical Ferrara can bring that to Juventus. Other than those 20 minutes after we conceded, Juventus hasn’t played like a cohesive unit since the Roma game, which today, feels like an eternity ago.
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Jezz, and i thought before we had problems at left back, our right back position is fucked up, fucked up hard!
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Anyone aganist traing De Ceglie into becoming a Right Back as well? train him with his right foot as well!
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more slipped points like this and we are going to give Inter the title on a plate
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Juventus Shirts…..one thing thats actually scary is can Inter actually slip up for us to regain these lost points?? and if they do, will juve be able to stay consistent??
sorry for the pessimism, but by looking at what has happened in the past few years, i can only see grey clouds ahead of us…..these 2 months that have past are no different than the ones spent with Ranieri last season…..actually, our squad is supposed to be superior this time around!!!
and although i despise goal.com, seeing an article like the one below gave me a disgusting feeling at the pit of my stomach….
this is not the Juve we know!!!
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hey guys lets keep faith in ciro for a while more, actually i dont think the team played particularly well since the start of the season, we are not that dominant in our play yet, i think the players are still getting used to each other and the system. even diego first goal was a mistake by the roma player (couldnt remember who), against lazio we leave it quite late to score, just hope the team finds the right chemistry before inter run aways with the scudetto, but well the season is still early and the title race is still open.
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HolyMann, I do think Inter will lose more points than last season for the following reasons:
- Etoo (who is a very good striker), will be out for African Cup.
- Milito (who is also a very good striker), will miss some games due to injuries.
- They don’t have other very good strikers (Balotelli has potential, but he is not there yet).Someone may argue they played without Etoo and Milito against Genoa and they scored 5 times, but if the same someone sees their goals he/she will know that game was one of a kind. I mean, Cambiaso’s goal was actually a Genoa own goal, and Stankovic’s goal (which was classy by the way) came because Amelia did one of those things that make goalkeeper become defenders at the age of 15… he can’t do such an stupidity again in his lifetime. And geona got nervous.
So, the question for me is: are we ready to take advantage of the points inter will lose this season? If Ferrara keep doing things like the last few matches, then we are screwed.
I do think Ferrara is a smart guy (or I want to think, at least). It’s ok if he makes mistakes because of inexperience (I mean, not OK, but understandable), but he should learn from those mistakes and quickly (not exactly what he has been doing lately), if he want to finish the season as a Juventus coach.
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On a different note, I really love this blog. I feel so much better after moaning here for the last two days. Keep the good work Alessio and Roberto, you will save us lots of money in antidepressants.
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What I have noticed in our games so far is that Iaquinta gets in the way of Amauri quite a bit. Yesterday he touched a couple balls that prevented Amauri from scoring, I see that as the main problem in our formation. When Del Piero plays he passed the ball to Trezeguet, Iaquinta, Amauri and let them score goals. Having two strikers is preventing us from being more dangerous and cynical. We need Giovinco playing instead of either Iaquinta or Amauri. If Ferrara doesn’t think so then we better hope our captain starts feeling better soon or it is going to be a long season.
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if Ferrara doesnt want to play Giovinco, and if he stays our coach next year, then fuck it…..i say include Giovinco in a deal to bring a top class striker….i hate myself for saying this, but if the kid isnt gonna get a chance, then its better for him to get some playing time else where….
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Yeah I’d tend to agree HolyMann. Not for the Azzurri though, after the way they sold us down the river in ‘06 I’m less concerned with their use of Gio as much as I just want to see him fulfill his potential, with or without Juve
(but preferably not with one of our rivals)
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definitely Alessio, i wouldnt mind seeing him playing abroad, especially in England where its less defensive……his speed would torture any team there
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I’m actually going to write up a Gio post.
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