Juventus vs. Genoa: Reality Check

By: roberto | February 13th, 2010
   

tableHope for a top four finish this year is fading fast. The boys need to get their stuff together in a hurry (seriously this time) before Sunday’s game against Genoa if they’re planning on making room for Juventus in any discussions next year about the Champions League, or the Europa League for that matter, come early May. The task in front of the Bianconeri this weekend is Gian Piero Gasperini’s side who, like Juventus, stand at thirty five points in seventh place. A tricky fixture for either coach, especially considering both teams are sandwiched in the middle of eight others, separated by eight points.

Standings aside, Sunday’s match also presents many interesting tactical challenges each team should expect to encounter on the field of play. For Zaccheroni, seeing as how Juventus played against Livorno last weekend, he has his work cut out for him as Gasperini’s men already run a tight ship and don’t need any help with their movement off the ball in defense and attack. For Genoa, seeing as they have an equal opportunity to progress in Europe, they must battle with the notion that Juventus will eventually win a game. We will eventually win a game.

We begin with the obvious. Our midfield is a giant mess. Let me take you back to two years ago when all we were wishing for that Christmas was a clever final ball into the box. Fast forward to this year, and not only has Santa Claus given us nothing but coal for the last two seasons, but in addition, the Grinch stole some of the quality out of our squad since then. I think it’s fair to say that we have much more to worry about now than just a clever final ball. We miss you Pavel. Let’s hear what the Zac has to say about our situation in the middle of the park:

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“We are also slow in moving the ball around, which makes us predictable. The midfield is a problem that this team has had since the start of the season. If a move starts badly, it’ll end badly. I am confident I will be able to solve it, but not in the space of a few days.”

Certainly time isn’t on Zaccheroni’s side but at least he understands what the problem is, nevermind if he indeed knows how to solve it. Against Livorno, Juventus reared it’s ugly all-to-familiar ‘long-ball’ head again after several attempts at starting a move along the ground failed with remarkable ease. No one needs to see Cannavaro make a two feet pass to an unmarked Melo who tries to release Amauri half way down the field ever again. Let’s try to explain in detail what I meant by “giant mess” in regards to our midfield before we talk about any solutions, with reference to an article alessio brought to our attention a few weeks back after our loss against Roma:

“Juventus, however, were equally as toothless, and their shocking lack of width in attacking areas was obvious all too often. Juve’s problem is that, in Amauri, they have a striker who absolutely thrives on crosses. If they have no-one looking to get to the byline and centre the ball, Amauri ends up simply holding the ball up, and praying for runners that all too often failed to arrive. The diamond in midfield simply doesn’t suit Amauri’s game.

Their second problem was the gap between the midfield and their forwards. Diego is perhaps not a classic trequartista like Totti – he likes to drop deep into the centre of midfield, and often retreats towards his own goal when in possession. The effect of this is that the next ball becomes so difficult – especially if he plays it to one of the carrileros [shuttlers], the two who generally make forward runs when off the ball. The result is either a long, basic ball to Amauri, or a difficult ball to Del Piero, who found it difficult to get any space on such a narrow active field of play.”

In short, giant mess. Against Genoa, Zaccheroni’s men cannot have the same disconnect between their defense, midfield, and attack if they want to give themselves a chance for victory at home. Resorting to “basic balls” made hero’s out of regular men in Roma’s Mexes and Juan, Livorno’s Knezevic, and will do the exact same for Genoa’s Dainelli and friends on Sunday.

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This week, it’ll be imperative for Juventus to ‘up’ the difficulty for their opponents with, for example, back post crosses. That of course, will depend on our midfielders and full backs. In Zac’s 3-4-1-2 system it will be interesting to see if Caceres and De Ceglie can target Genoa’s full-backs and play deeper in their half than Rossi and the 50% owned Criscito can in ours. Support for either cause will have to come in the form of overlaps, and seeing as Grygera will get the nod at right back instead of Cannavaro, there’s a better chance of that happening. Still though, advantage Genoa.

Although it sounds like a tall order given the hopelessness in our play in recent history, Juventus will have to find a good balance of wing play and up the middle ground attack. The benefit behind it obviously is that hopefully the added focus on crosses with width and depth puts Amauri in play, and it also decreases the congestion in the centre of the pitch or widens the “narrow active field of play”, so Del Piero and Diego can have more space to operate. However, perhaps that’s too tall an order for this team until Camoranesi’s back.

In any case, this Sunday Juventus’ tifosi will have a much better sense of the quality of coaching leading their side. Zaccheroni will certainly be measured by how well his men have improved their positioning and movement with/off the ball, as a result of, if he has been able to affectively communicate to his players what needs to change and how. We certainly have the quality in our team to play better then we have in the past, we just need to find better direction.

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Juventus (probable):Buffon; Grygera, Legrottaglie, Chiellini; Caceres, Candreva, Sissoko, De Ceglie; Diego; Amauri, Del Piero

Genoa (probable): Amelia; Papasthatopoulos, Dainelli, Bocchetti; Rossi, Milanetto, Juric, Criscito; Palladino, Acquafresca, Sculli

IERI… OGGI… DOMANI… SEMPRE JUVE!!!


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  • Sam: my thoughts exactly.
    By the way, look at the massive debts EPL clubs have - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F....
  • agiamba
    Mickey, you are welcome to chat here, you are even welcome to bash Juventus a bit here, as long as you make actual points and avoid personal insults like you've done today.
  • mufid
    i recommend watching "henry with aesenal" videos to have a clear picture of how clean and competent refereeing in england is.
  • Sam
    @ I am not here to troll

    I disagree with you man. Im a massive fan of Serie A (Roma fan), but I dont think you can judge EPL by comparing England's results with Italy's. We are looking at two different leagues not nations. Its about the appeal, right now EPL has more appeal to international players because of the amount of money involved in the league (more the amount of debt though). Italy was more popular in the 80s and 90s because the foreign and big name internationals (more specifically the Brazilians), were all playing in Italy and if they werent they wanted to.

    However, that said, with all the debt in EPL I expect them to soon fall off their pedastool if things continue going like this. But Serie A can only take advantage if they keep getting the right results in Europe. Which means we all have to grit our teeth (even you juventus supporters) and hope that Milan, Inter and Fiorentina get the positive results in Europe, which means we can hold our 4 CL spots and not lose them to Germany.
  • I am not here to troll
    Wow Jorid I actually agree with you on something, the EPL is the most overrated league in the world, and those who think its "the best in the world" are full of shit. Because champions league results are everything. Hmmm I suppose that would explain how italy has 4 world cups and England has one. Italy were in the Euro's while England got knocked out at home by croatia, funny how that works...
  • elmi
    seen it a few times, there was no contact whatsoever (ale tripped on himself), it was outside of the box. here's hoping it was an honest mistake, thats all...
  • Jorid
    And please save the rest of us from this "Serie A has no more appeal"/"EPL is the best league in the world" BULLSHIT. Did anybody here watch Arsenal-Liverpool last week? Howard Webb's mistake during stoppage time was blatant and could have altered the game completely. Guess what, that guy's considered 1 of the best refs in England and he's going to the WC.
  • Jorid
    People need to STFU about all these possible conspiracy theories. Refs are human, they have to make very quick decisions in almost no time in situations of huge pressure, and at times they err just like every other human being. Some do more than others. Does anybody remember the Genoa-Juve match in the beginning of the season? How many goals did we end up getting disallowed against us in that game like 2,3? How about against Atalanta? There was dubious calls there too. As Alessio said, the problem with Italian football is that fans and followers of the Serie A themselves like to make every referee seem like Byron Moreno even after the slightest mistake. The referee decided to play advantage when he should have stopped play(even though the ball ended up going out of bounds in the end...)? "He must have had a bathroom chat with Luciano Moggi during half-time!!!"
  • Blanda_Amania
    I still think this is the best they've played in quite some time.
  • Sofia
    To all who call Del Piero a joke or an ass or whatever I say to you, check your shit before you talk. First of all, TRUE Juve fans would NEVER talk about Il Capitano in such disgraceful and actually disgusting ways. Secondly, when it all comes down to it, EVERYONE does whatever it will take for a victory so stop acting all self-righteous when you know if put in the same position you would not have done the same thing. Next, I haven't studied the replays of the penalty, however, from what I saw it actually looked like he lost his balance. He didn't once go up to the referee and start crying penalty nor did he grab his leg or his face or another part of his body (from what I recall). That means it was the ref's call, so if you want to call anyone a douche or any other name - talk to the ref. Over his career Del Piero has come to be known for his fair play and for his sportsmanship, so all you people, especially Juventini, who are calling him names after this one game, which he WON for you, REALLY need to stop. It is actually disgusting that you can continue to call yourselves Juventini and speak this lowly of your captain. I am actually ashamed, WE WON! WE WON, after COUNTLESS game of YOU PEOPLE crying and complaining about every point we were dropping. No shit this wasn't the prettiest win we have ever had, but it was a win nonetheless, so either you stop complaining when we lose or you start swallowing the ugly victories. No one can be perfect all the time. FORZA ALE E FORZA JUVE PER SEMPRE!
  • Johnny Boy: The world never dismissed EPL in spite of professional divers like Christina, Drogba, Torres, Gerrard, Lehmann, etc. These are from top of my head.
  • Says who? I’ve never heard that before. Is that statistical evidence of this?

    There is always a first time for hearing something. I cannot provide statistical evidence because complacency cannot be quantified. My point is - the victory has not changed *much*. Del Piero had to come back to form because he is class and my grandmother might have scored eventually if she was in place of Amauri. It is extremely possible that the penalty was not given and you might have been cursing Zac and others in the same vein as Marco.

    Anyways.. I was just making an observation. I am as happy as you that we got all three points and I'm sure Marco must be happy as well. But questions must be asked until UCL qualification is assured.
  • agiamba
    What a ridiculous call. This is why the world dismisses Italian football

    I'm sure there are dodgy penalties called in other countries. Having watched La Liga a decent amount the last two years, there certainly are. The reason the world dismisses Italian football is precisely because everyone moans about it until the next game, all this outrage and accusations of cheating and conspiracy. It isn't hard to form a stereotype about Italian football when everyone in Italy is bringing it up themselves.
  • Maio
    That was quite an ignorant remark, Johnny. But if that's how you feel, why are you even on here?
  • Johnny
    Del Piero is an JOKE

    What a ridiculous call. This is why the world dismisses Italian football
  • Nnahoj
    On a lighter note, I think I figured out why Giovinco wasn't getting much playing time; he was busy filming "The Last Airbender" :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
  • Nnahoj
    Yeah Alessio, I heard that! It was hilarious, but pretty uncalled for! More hilarious though!

    About the penalty, I will concede that the contact was just outside the box having seen the replay again. But there was absolutely nothing sneaky about it. He was tripped and he fell. It wasn't him who gave the penalty, it was the ref. And we can all agree that at the time there were not many complaints from the Genoa players. So tough shit to Genoa, finally we get some luck our way.

    "Victories earned on basis of dubious calls can result in complacency."

    Says who? I've never heard that before. Is that statistical evidence of this?
  • Sam.
    FUCK YEAHH!!! WE WON!! FUCK YEAH!!!
  • agiamba
    The outrage at Del Piero going down after being clipped from behind is hilarious.

    Even funnier was ESPN's commentary on that Greek guy who's name I can't possibly spell right, and this was after he brought down Amauri in the box- "Like the economy...Greece was falling and pulling down everyone with them."
  • Blanda_Amania
    Oh, heeey. Thanks!
  • Blanda_Amania
    I'm not a spammer!!
  • Blanda_Amania
    Not the best penalty call in the world, but I was only able to tell that the trip happened just outside the box. ADP couldn't help but fall into the box on that one, but yeah, a gift from Sokratis.

    Otherwise, awesome goals, man! Caceres worked his butt off after tumbling about with the defender to get that cross off to Amauri. Thank you, Caceres for not giving up because I don't recall seeing Amuari giving you props. The spark of life and creativity was beauty in motion from ADP and Diego's little penetrating play through the defense. We need more of that!

    This was a much needed boost in self confidence. I saw much more fight in them especially after GiGi fluffed that save.
  • Blanda_Amania
    "I think it was a well deserved and emotional win."

    I agree with this. Yeah, crap penalty. The trip was outside the box, but you can only tell through the replays that it was. ADP and Diego finally show a spark of creativity with an actual penetration through their defense for that awesome goal, and Caceres worked his butt off after getting checked off balance to get that cross off to Amauri for his goal. I saw determination not to get scored on again after Buffon's fluff. They pushed harder, they worked harder to keep possession that I've seen in the last few games.

    They needed this boost to their self confidence. I don't know if it'll help them in the creativity department, but I'd like to think they'll resort less to falling for fouls and actually fight to stay on their feet and keep the flow going.

    I feel there is hope.

    Off topic: Why were my posts tagged as spam?! :(
  • Robee
    "why not play giovinco – diego – del piero together? behind a trez or iaquinta? heck play those three behind amauri and bank shots off that useless pylon."

    Because it would be utterly useless... Del Piero only plays well, when given the freedom upfront. He should move around a striker. Giovinco can play wide, but then you would be having only one flank, unless you want to field a 4-1-3-2 ? Two out of these three is always necessary imo, but 3 is just too much.
  • Aaron
    Missed the game but relieved at finally winning, shocked to see Amauri score (it's about time, heard the penalty was a dodgy decision? Anyone found highlights of this game anywere? How did Criscito play, im sure we still own half of him.
  • Uh oh.. spitter alert!

    Yeah, I can't watch 360 either. Thanks for the highlights, though.
  • Tottigol
    only Alessio would try to justify the contact in that. It's funny that you call someone class in a match where he showed a distinct lack of class. hey whatever floats your boat man.
  • Juventus Fan
    Thanks, alessio. But ESPN360 shows games only to selected ISPs and Time Warner Cable (my ISP) is not one of them.
  • agiamba
    I will warn you Comrade, ESPN360's feed is narrated by Tommy Smyth, who opens the show talked about how talented a striker Amauri is.
  • agiamba
    Comrade: ESPN360.com

    Here are highlights from the Primavera's 2-0 win over Atalanta- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
  • alessio: Where did you watch the replay?
  • Marco
    " Of course, I think everything Marco says is 100% horse shit and I maintain he must be a closet Interista or something, so I’m not even going to address his ramblings."

    says the guy who is a closet Marco fan ;)

    why not play giovinco - diego - del piero together? behind a trez or iaquinta? heck play those three behind amauri and bank shots off that useless pylon.
  • Lou
    I guess its come to bullshit penalty calls for Juve to pick up points.
  • About Caceras, I think a) he needs to cut his hair b) his defending is poor He he.. agree on both points. I just remembered the historical rule that Juventus players had to keep their rule short. There was a particular player who became popular few decades back and the club had to allow him to keep long hair. Don't remember his name though..

    Regarding defending skills, I would like to have a Thuram at right back. But given limited budget and looking around other right backs, I think Caceres is the best option.
  • agiamba
    Hey all, just watched the game on replay. I agree with Nnahoj, it was a shitty win, perhaps undeserved, but you know what, we need a win right now. Of course, I think everything Marco says is 100% horse shit and I maintain he must be a closet Interista or something, so I'm not even going to address his ramblings.

    Quick thoughts as I watched the game-
    #1- When Amauri scored, my first thought was not happiness but the desire to kick him in the crotch. Where the fuck has he been for the last year? Is he back? (No.)
    #2- Marchisio, Diego, and ADP were class tonight. Offense actually looked semi-productive, but let's not forget Genoa has the 2nd worst defense in the league. Defense still looked mediocre, and that was a rare papera from Buffon.
    #3- There was contact in the penalty, but it looked to me like it was outside of the box. Of course, all the anti-Juventini will rage that we have gotten two incorrect penalties in the last 3 weeks. Oddly, they aren't equally outraged by the penalties that have not been given against Juventus this season, which there have been many. Only other penalty we've received was against Bari.
    #4- So Giovinco gets the Paolucci treatment right now?

    And on an unrelated note to Juventus, Lotito is an idiot, but he really one-upped himself. Claiming Ledesma's exclusion wasn't because of him, it was Ballardini? I'm sure Ballardini was up all night worried about his contract and the numbers from his sale. I'm sure he wanted the debacle to continue rather than receive 10mil+ Khrin this winter.
  • Daniel
    yeeha! we won :D
    hope the thursday game go well too.
  • lol...
  • Marco
    comrade, the reaction was a bit much at the beginning, I admit, game emotions, frustration, etc. But now that some time has passed the comments are a bit more laxed.
    It was important to win. The last thing we need to do is sail down the road to lazio. But with that being said, I am torn. I just can't stand Amauri! and that he scored MADONNA MIA! But realistically, how many times has he missed? It's about time he scored something. Also, ehhemm.. here's a compliment... he did move his ass more then the usual walking, clapping, complaining motions we all know and love.

    About Caceras, I think a) he needs to cut his hair b) his defending is poor. He does have monster crosses, and speed. Kinda like a grosso on the right side. Inept at the back, runs down the side, crosses. if we get him for around 8 mill, then take him, but offload some salary in melo,amauri,grosso,cannavaro first. - is Camron really needed now with the potential of longer signings of Candreva and Caceras anyway?
  • Juve Fan
    so what, we cheat, we bribe, we make fun of African players, we're Juve
  • I can see Marco's point. We still have a long way to go in terms of removing deficiencies. Victories earned on basis of dubious calls can result in complacency. But Marco, surely we can take lot of positives as well from this game. Your reaction might be appropriate during end of Ferrara's tenure, but not today.

    Its funny to see fans of a club who win Scudetto in the court being pissed off at the penalty more than Genoa players are.
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