Il Derby del Mezzogiorno

By: agiamba | October 30th, 2009
   

It’s well known that Juventus is massively popular across il Mezzogiorno (southern Italy), and the second-favorite team would likely be Napoli. Being Barese, I was raised to dislike 4 things: Sicily, Lecce, the North, and above all, Napoli. Thus, this match is sort of a derby for southern Italians, some supporting the industrial powerhouse of Turin, and the others the corrupt trash-filled city of Naples. Full preview after the jump-

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Truth be told, I actually like the city of Naples, even though mio nonno would smack me if he heard me say that. Is it gritty? Hell yes. Is there corruption and crime? Absolutely. Is it the real Italian experience? Probably, and it has the best damn pizza you’ll ever find in the world and some pretty gorgeous beaches in the Amalfi region, to boot. If you’re travelling to Italy, you definitely have to go to Napoli- after all, Pompeii and Capri are nearby!


One of the most ridiculous games I’ve ever seen…and not in a good way.

CONNECTIONS:
Juve Youth Pasts- Aronica and De Sanctis both played for Juve in their early youth, consistent with our policy to scout throughout Italy and sign the best youth we can. Sometimes it doesn’t work out. De Sanctis is a pretty good keeper though, he’s currently Italy’s #3.
The Cannavaro brothers Paolo Cannavaro, is of course, the younger brother of Fabio Cannavaro. Napoli could definitely use Fabio right now. The Cannavaro brothers grew up at Napoli together, then moved to the mighty Parma, and then split ways. This will be their first game against each other in Serie A since Calciopoli, where they again chose divergent paths. Fabio fled the crumbling Bianconeri to Madrid, whereas Paolo decided to drop from Serie A to Serie B to fight for his beloved hometown team, Napoli, showing (cough cough) outstanding loyalty and spirit. (cough cough)
Neapolitan Juve- Cannavaro and Ferrara are both Napoli legends, though Ferrara won several Scudetti with Napoli during his 10-year period. Fabio spent 3 years at Napoli before moving to Parma. Back when Fabio was growing up, he was Napoli’s ballboy and he has stated a number of times that Ciro Ferrara was his idol. Indeed, at a young age he was often referred to as “the new Ferrara.” The two have a anti-cancer foundation that they run together, the Fondazione Cannavaro Ferrara. I jokingly think the Neapolitan bond is why Nicola Legrottaglie, who erm, stuck with Juve in Serie B is sitting on the bench, as there is a bit of Barese-Napolitano friction. If Conte had become the coach, then surely Legrottaglie would have become his preferred starter.

Ciro Ferrara’s Farewell to Calcio- When Ferrara decided to retire, a honorary game was played in Napoli where Ferrara played one half for Juventus and one half for Napoli. Maradona had never been to Napoli since leaving the club, but promised to return for Ferrara’s retirement party. You could look at this as a tribute to Ferrara, or crashing his party by overshadowing him, but the kind of person Ferrara is, I’m sure he didn’t mind sharing the limelight.
Summer 2009 Mercato- Quagliarella and Cigarini ended up signing with Napoli, though Juve was briefly rumored to be interested in both, along with Lavezzi and Hamsik. I believe Quagliarella has stated he’s a Juventus fan, and no, his love for Napoli and Juve are not mutually exclusive, like a lot of the South, we are their 2nd team. (if not first) Napoli, in their (unsuccessful) attempt to find a left-back wanted either Cristian Molinaro or Paolo De Ceglie. Cristian Molinaro is from the Napoli region, PDC is from (close to) Turin…easy solution.
Juve Primavera- We raid Campania a lot. Recent piccoli gobbi from the Napoli region include- Domenico Criscito, Antonio Nocerino, Cristian Molinaro, Raffaele Palladino, etc. Current or recent Primavera players from Napoli are Carlo Vecchione, Ciro Immobile, and Salvatore D’Elia who’s Facebook info reads “tifoso del grande napoli!!” When checking where Vecchione and Immobile are from, I was surprised to see how many of our great young talents are from Turin- Rossi, Esposito, Marrone, Giovinco, Pinsoglio, and of course Marchisio and Giovinco Sr. We haven’t really had that in the past.
Napoli’s Jungle Fever- They love them some South Americans, in fact, they were the team that brought Amauri to Italy 9 years ago.

RECENT ENCOUNTERS: As schizophrenic as our record against Palermo. Knocked out of the Coppa in 2006, knocked them out in 2008. The last two seasons have been topsy-turvy. First, we lost thanks to two horrible refereeing calls from Lavezzi/Zalayeta dives in Napoli, 3-1. Then we won narrowly in Turin after a 80minute siege thanks to Iaquinta, 1-0. Then we lost in Napoli 2-1 thanks to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named and co. at the bottom of our last Fall crisis, and then narrowly won in Turin thanks to a deflected Marchisio goal, 1-0. The moral of the story? This is a derby for a lot of people, in Turin, they come to play.

RECENT FORM:
Juventus- Improving: The 5-1 drubbing of Sampdoria helped pick us up a bit. (WWWDL)
Napoli- Steady: Mazzari has turned them around after an awful Donadoni start. Or is this still the post-coach changing bounce? (DWWLW)

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The Curva Sud ready for Napoli back in Serie B…

FORMATIONS AND LINEUPS:
Juventus- (4-2-3-1): It’s worked, thus far. The deficiencies of the 4-3-1-2 are this: forwards in poor form, exhausted CMs, and playing two static forwards. With a healthy midfield, forwards who can actually score, and a second-striker up there, it will work. But for now, the 4-2-3-1 is unquestionably the formation, I mean hell, Gio is playing, Camo is uninjured, and Diego is sambaing. No complaints. When Del Piero and Marchisio come back, maybe we’ll switch back, they don’t fit into a 4-2-3-1 naturally. But there’s nothing wrong with having multiple formations. Out of the game are Sissoko (20 days, muscle twinge), Caceres (broken nose, 3-4 days) Salihamidzic (who knows anymore), Marchisio/Iaquinta (meniscus, 10-15, 25-30 days respectively), Zebina (French, 1 month), Del Piero (muscle tear, 3-4 days)

In defense, one would assume ItalJuve to line-up, though Ferrara has (refreshingly) showed his willingness to rotate. It keeps them healthy, refreshed, and gives our squad players some playing time. With Maccabi on the horizon, Ferrara might rest Cannavaro and Grosso, as he has done in the past, which is a good idea. They are superb playing once a week, but if the two frequently play 180min, the fatigue will set in. They are not 27 anymore. Legrottaglie has largely held his own, while not playing as well as Cannavaro, though the same cannot really be said for Cristiano Molinaro. I wouldn’t mind giving De Ceglie a chance at left-back and Legro a shot at the middle. Just no Molinaro, please.

In midfield, expect Gio-Diego-Camo to lineup again, with Poulsen-Melo supporting. Gio and Diego shouldn’t be a big concern about overworking, they are young and should have the fitness levels to play 180minutes a week, if needed. Camoranesi is another case. Positioning him in a 4-2-3-1 is nice, because it doesn’t require him to cover as much ground as in a 4-3-1-2 or 4-4-2, but I still worry about overworking him and causing an injury. We need him on the pitch. Tiago is back, but where does he fit in a 4-2-3-1? The way I see it, you have to have a lot of energy and pace to be able to make it in the 3 (he doesn’t have it), and endurance and defensive capabilities to be in the 2. (Also missing) Marchisio could play conceivably in both, though not ideal, I’m not sure I could say the same for Tiago, to which Ferrara agrees.

In attack, it’s a straight question of Amauri or Trez. Curiously, both arrived in Italy in 2000, though obviously took very different career paths. Amauri will get the nod, as he is in better form than Trez and provides more of a reference point for the 4-2-3-1. (That’s what consecutive games can do for you..ahem) Though don’t count out the T-Rez, who has just as many Serie A goals as Amauri this season, quietly getting back into form. (I cannot deny my love for Trezeguet. He may not do a lot of off-the-ball work, but his efficiency and place in this team are unquestionable)

Predicted XI: (4-2-3-1): Superman; Grygera, Legrottaglie, Chiellini, Grosso; Melo, Poulsen; Camoranesi, Diego, Giovinco; Amauri

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Napoli- Check out the Napoli blog for the best answers, Chris and Neil do good work over there even if they are blogging for Napoli.

Napoli has had a strange start to the season, a terrible one despite significant investments in Zuniga, Quags, De Sanctis, and Cigarini further confirming Roberto Donadoni’s general uselessness, though the problems with the team go much further, as they looked the same as when it all came apart under Reja. Poor discipline, perhaps? Lack of motivation? No left-footed players? Whatever it was, Walter Mazzari came in and seems to have figured it out. They’ve held their own admirably, though they lost to Roma, they have beaten Siena, Fiorentina, and had a great comeback against Milan this weekend. The only injury concerns for them are Santacroce (fell off the face of the world a year ago, recovery time unknown) and perhaps Zuniga. One thing I think was cursing Napoli was their strict adherence both under Reja and Donadoni to the 3-5-2. It wasn’t working, and it’s finally been scrapped.

Predicted XI: (4-2-3-1)- De Sanctis; Grava, Rinaudo, Cannavaro, Aronica; Maggio, Pazienza, Gargano; Hamsik, Lavezzi; Quagliarella.

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That color looks good on you Fabio…hint hint

KEY PLAYERS:
Quagliarella- He’s had a very quiet start to his Napoli career. Let’s hope it stays that way.
Giovinco- He played well as trequartista, and is thriving in the new formation. Napoli’s defense is slow and not that good with tricky players, he could tear them apart.

PREVIEWS/LIVEBLOGS AND PREDICTIONS:
Goal.com (EN)
Football Italia
Napoli Offside
Football Italiano
Ferrara’s Thoughts
Eurosport Liveblog

FINAL WORD: As Christopher pointed out in his post, Napoli have an incredible propensity to concede in the first 15 minutes of play. Let’s capitalize on it. A swift punch to the Donkey cojones would be a great way to hurt their confidence.

C’E UNA STELLA CHE INDICA IL CAMMINO: FORZA JUVE, VINCERE E’ IL TUO DESTINO!!


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  • gaetano
    I agree with papai. Poulson has shockingly improved over the last few games.seeing these comments is pretty bleak. Everyone seems to be ready to throw in the towel. Like I ve said before,we ll need to rid ourselves of tiago,molinaro, and zebina. My feelings are that we should stick to this formation until our injured players are back.then we should alternate according to the team we are facing. We should start integrating different players into these formations to see where everyone belongs.then alternate them so that they don t get injured.we ll need to invest in someone like kjaer so that chiellini can push forward a bit and someone like d'agostino who can give us more depth in the midfield and alternate with the midfielders like sissoko and melo. I said in the past that we needed strikers who can actually score but I was wrong,as we all know the formation was the problem. If we do something like this, I believe we will definitely improve our chances. Lastly, giovinco needs to start finishing.
  • And regarding our backline, they have been decent if not spectacular. The main problem is a sudden collective loss of concentration as soon as we take a lead.
    I think the juve squad read too much about themselves in the papers. We need il capitano to bring order amidst the chaos, who will be able to guide a game to its finish.
  • To all those who have been calling for Poulsen's head, i think he has shown improvement this season whenever he has been playing in an advanced role. The guy is not cut out to be a defensive midfielder, and can actually be of some use further ahead of the field in an offensive role, where it wont matter that much even if he loses the ball .
    Tiago is just not technically equipped for serie A. We should get rid of him ASAP. I think the backup DM shuld have been PDC, or we could try out Ariaudo.
  • HolyMann
    i completely agree with you Alessio, our injuries are killing us, Sissoko was incredible when he returned, we really need him and Marchisio back, and where the hell is Salihamidic? we can really use him as a back up....and for crying our loud, we have to get rid of Poulsen/Tiago in summer....they're really killing us
  • agiamba
    The way Cannavaro has been playing this season, barring a game or two, has been world-class. The problem is the team, not just the defense, isn't playing quite as a unit.
  • Vinod
    Sam: "But its Cannavaro, Chiellini and Grosso, that 3 out of 4 good dofenders? Whats sooo wrong?"

    You really still consider Cannavaro a good defender? Chiellini is world-class, Grosso is pretty good, but that's about it in my book.
  • Sam
    Saw Sampdoria Bari today, jesus christ Ronacchia is amazing for such a raw age, we ABSOLUTLY MUST MUST MUST get him!
  • agiamba
    I'm not defending the defense who played bleh today, but for me it was the midfield that was unable to do jack shit that really killed us. When Camo went out, Grygera was under a lot more pressure because Tiago didn't do anything.
  • bianconeri
    Alessio, there is no excuse for the first goal. Chiellini, Cannavaro, and Grosso all fucked up.
  • agiamba
    Omar that's a stupid thing to say, it's like others complaining that Lippi only wants Juventini and his team. Hackneyed and incorrect. Grosso and Cannavaro are good players, and they came for a total price of 3.5million euro. It has nothing to do with Lippi. Any other players we signed would have cost a shitload more and would have fucked up in games also.

    Our defense is fine, the reason they got shredded yesterday was because our midfielders couldn't hold onto the goddamn ball. Every Napoli attack just went straight through them. The whole team turned off as Buffon said. That doesn't mean they suck, that means they are dumb.
  • ooBia
    and inter is 7 points ahead. in week 11 that's not a good sign..
  • o_man
    I can't believe that the only reason we didn't buy a good CB and LB is because fucking Lippi wanted them on our team.It is sad the Juve is working for the Azzurri
  • Ricardo
    Grosso is a midfielder, not a defender. Get up 2-0 and pull him. Levezzi outran our defense all day. Chiellini and Cannavaro (and always Grosso) got caught too far upfield time and again, when they should've been guarding our lead. I coach U-11 and our defenders know better than that. Where was Momo ? Tiago ? I can't believe we still have him and he still plays. He's worn out his 9 lives.
  • Nnahoj
    "It was so visible that we got comfortable and I think after the performance midweek, we were a bit arrogant thinking that the remaining 30 mins or so would be a stroll." - Nnahoj.

    "Perhaps there was a little arrogance and we paid a heavy price for that. When 2-0 up, we lost a bit of concentration and determination." - Gigi Buffon.

    Hear hear.
  • Marco
    We pretty much have the Italian National Team on our squad. If our defense is being exposed on the club level, we are going to get destroyed at the WC2010. Chellini is a superstar. Canno, Legro, Grosso - aging stars - we will never be able to keep up with the pace of the Spaniards, ze Germans, Brazilians, Argentians etc... with old men at the backline. Granted its a different stage with different vairables - lippi should start inserting some pace in the back.

    The the problem we had this past game against Napoli is the team became complacent. We havent really come out swinging (besides samp) so the lads got exposed when they took there foot off the throttle. It was clearly evident when watching the game.
    I would have expected Ciro to have fired them up, to remind Juve that Napoli never give up as witness from the AC game. I would have wanted CIRO to have tried to motivate a bit more.

    The loss is still stinging. Onwards to Champions League.
  • mohd
    well after watching the game replay i can safely say that we dont played bad but there is two to three players how played shit and tow of them proven time and time again they're shit the other should but more concentration in his game
  • ooBia
    j, in this specific case, calling tiago a football is no typo at all.. he surly gets kicked around as one
  • j
    footballer*
  • j
    we will, if the freaking defence do their job instead of hoping for a bufforn miracle every time, and well-paid professional football tiago dont clear balls like that

    it just occur to me that chellini frequently go forward, we got a goal against samp, but he could easily lose the ball and put our team in danger, well it doesnt matter now seems we are looking to secure 2nd spot, right behind inter AGAIN for i dont know 4/5 seasons, desite all the promises, only a 10 LEAGUE game winning streak is going to put us back in, but that's not going to happen
  • Thomas
    An unforgivable defeat!! It shows that our depth is not as good as we think! I can´t believe what I saw yesterday! Up 2-0, and you would think that the game was won - perhaps the players thougt that too!! In my opinion, we just lost any chance of winning "Lo Scudetto"!! I´m mad!!
  • the main thing is that in the winter break, your chances of getting good players are really very bleak.
    canna's age really got exposed last night. for the third goal they just outran him for the build up play.
  • Sam
    Yeah and Giovinco is playing really well, but hes finishing is really poor, needs some work.
  • Sam
    But its Cannavaro, Chiellini and Grosso, that 3 out of 4 good dofenders? Whats sooo wrong?
  • bianconeri
    We will not win anything with this defence.
  • HolyMann
    this is just too depressing....i MIGHT have been able to live with this result if Napoli took the lead, but with around 30 minutes to go, and we're up 2-0 and AT HOME....its disgusting.

    this isnt Ferrara's fault, with the cards he had, the formation and substitutes made were his only choice, and Amauri wasnt supposed to even play that night (high temperature), the eleven players on the field are to blame (a bit of the blame should come on Buffon also - i hate myself for saying that).

    for a team that promised us the world this year, that they would be fighting for the Scudetto + champions league, for a team that just came back from a 5-1 win against Sampdoria to allow Napoli to fight back from a 2-0 score...SHAMEFUL, i just hope Ferrara unleashed hell at them after the game or during their next training, simply un-fucking-acceptable....

    someone above me mentioned that we should not give up, im sorry but i dont have that spirit inside me right now for a few reasons....every single time we raise our expectations just a little bit....something like this happens, we beat a strong team and then draw/lose against the weaker ones, the team's arrogance is killing us, the win over Sampdoria was supposed to do us good, but as a matter of fact, it destroyed us....many of you might argue that injuries hurt us, and its the injuries fault.....maybe in the long run yes, but not against Napoli...not when we were up by 2 fucking goals, no, injury had nothing to do with this.....as Alessio said, something is VERY wrong when Grygera is your best defender!!!

    i completely lost hope of winning the title this year, last year we went into the X-mas break if im not mistaken with only a one point difference against Inter....this was supposed to be a good year, a difficult one yes, but not to this extent...

    btw, i really think Giovinco outplayed Diego....but he seriously has to work on his finishings
  • Mo
    It's simple to analyze our poor form this season and last year's....without sissoko all our defensive flaws are exposed!
  • ooBia
    this just shows we need to work on our defense. It's Canna's last season, Grosso is still failing to impress me, and Grygera, Molinaro, Zebina don't even deserve the black and white shirt they wear!

    Maccabi and Conte's Atalanta next..
  • j
    still so disappointed with the team, to go 2-0 up and lose at home. i'm not giving much hope for the scudetto now, we are still within reach but if this inconsistency continues, the best we can hope for is the UCL. someone mention that these guys are professional and should not make as many mistakes, and i have to agree, you are paid to do a job competently and at the highest level too, imagine a doctor or whoever making a mistake every single time, it's unacceptable, they are not pub players...
  • Vinod
    Alessio, the vicious cycle churns on...
  • Sam
    I agree, im sure about that, it is bound to happen!

    By the way i couoldnt watch the match but was Chiellini's goal offside?
  • gaetano
    We will beat inter mark my words!
  • Sam
    I swaer if we had Sissoko or Marchisio, this wouldnt have happened, i mean poulsen was terrible, Tiago was an utter FUCKIN PIECE OF SHIT I MEAN THAT "CLEARENCE" WAS BLOODY UNDER 9 STUFF WTF WAS HE DOING!!!!! I AM SOO FUCKIN ANGRY I CANNOT GET OVER THIS!

    CHIELNNI HAS BEEN A BEAST RECENTLY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WTF HE THROWS THIS IN?

    One positive to take is we have scored 7 goals in 2 mathes, we are scoring with this formation something we couldnt do previously, Ciro, needs to tech this team about its positioning, especially defensvisly, and he was a master at this in his day, he needs to do it and DO IT NOW!!!

    FUCK IM STILL FUMING!!!

    FUCK!

    FUCK!

    :@
  • Armando
    I think the main problem today is that a 4-2-3-1 is an attacking formation, and as soon as we got those 2 goals we sat back way too much and put too much pressure on the defense and defensive midfielders. Plus, Sissoko, Marchisio, ADP, and now Camoranesi all out injured, Amauri not starting even though he's in red hot form, and horrible substitutions such as taking out Giovinco for De Ceglie. Add all this up and you have a perfect blend for failure. Also, against a very pacey, fast team like Napoli, i think Legro would be better than Canna as he's not quite as old and a bit quicker. Also, how Contini or whoever it was that elbowed Camoranesi didnt get a red card is beyond belief. I think this winter we still have some work to do, but i still think the Scudetto and even the Champions League are definitely within reach.
  • agiamba
    6 hours later or so, I'm still stunned, but it's Halloween tonight which means one thing- Alcohol- the cause and solution of all of life's problems! I'm goin out as Pavel Nedved tonight, last year's gold jersey, blond wig and all

    If someone asks if I'm Patrick Swayze I will punch them in the face. Have a good night all
  • joseph
    Thanks for the 3 points boys. I will be rooting for you guys over inter. Forza Napoli.
  • based on recent performances, we realistically cannot hope for any silverware this season... the third star will have to wait.
  • Sam
    :|

    im so fuckin gutted
  • bianconeri
    Anyone else notice that with thw 4-2-3-1 formation Giovinco and Camoranesi play amazing but Diego not so much, as opposed to the 4-3-1-2 where its vice versa.
  • gaetano
    Hey troll your a fuckwad!

    Guys I m gutted as much as you but never give up on your team. Hopefully we can learn from this..and make some trades in January!

    Juventus always
  • agiamba
    Camoranesi is another case. Positioning him in a 4-2-3-1 is nice, because it doesn’t require him to cover as much ground as in a 4-3-1-2 or 4-4-2, but I still worry about overworking him and causing an injury.

    Well, at least it wasn't a muscle strain or meniscus injury. If Camo had played until 80 or so, do you think we would have won?
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