IFFHS: Juventus Best Italian Club Of All-Time
By: roberto | January 7th, 2008
The International Federation of Football History and Statistics (IFFHS) have released their fifteen year study a couple days ago in their quest to compile ‘The All-Time Club World Ranking’. To no one’s surprise at the Juventus Offside, our Bianconeri have placed quite high. So high in fact that not only are we the top ranked Italian team of all-time, but we came in second spot as the all-time greatest club in the world. Come on, second? Now I’m no math major but hear me out. You take the derivative B (Baggio) in order to find the maximum value of S (Schillaci) with respect to V (Vialli) and R (Ravanelli), if we then consider the value Z (Zidane) as the ideal player and value D (Del Piero) as the expected level of performance, you then can cross multiply values N (Nedved) with values B (Buffon) and divide by the premium T (Trezeguet) with respect to C (Camoranesi) in order to find Juventus’ utility function for the all-time club world ranking. Sure sounds like first to me.
To give some you background information on the IFFHS in case you’ve never heard of it before it was founded in Leipzig on March 27, 1984, by Dr. Alfredo Poge. It is registered with the Royal Danish State Office. The IFFHS is all about establishing a scientific chronological documentation of world football and determining authentic world records in all areas of football. Despite what many critics of the list may think, the IFFHS claims that it will tolerate no political, military, religious, ethnic or national influence, and in this regard follows FIFA and UNO. The IFFHS also states that its activities are in accordance with the efforts and guidelines of FIFA for the statistical reproduction of the world soccer.
IFFHS’ All-Time Club World Ranking
1. FC Barcelona España 670
2. Juventus FC Torino Italia 584
3. Manchester United FC England 579
4. Real Madrid CF España 570
5. Milan AC Italia 547
6. FC Bayern München Deutschland 509
7. FC Internazionale Milano Italia 488
8. CA River Plate Buenos Aires Argentina 475
9. Arsenal FC London England 472
10. FC do Porto Portugal 405
11. AFC Ajax Amsterdam Nederland 400
12. Parma AC Italia 373
13. Chelsea FC London England 350
14. Liverpool FC England 344
15. SS Lazio Roma Italia 342
16. Valencia CF España 338
17. CA Boca Juniors Buenos Aires Argentina 329
18. AS Roma Italia 319
19. Glasgow Rangers FC Scotland 308
20. São Paulo FC Brasil 290
21. BV Borussia Dortmund Deutschland 285
22. Paris Saint-Germain FC France 284
23. Spartak Moscow Russia 278
24. AS de Monaco France 277
25. Club Brugge KV Belgique 260
Olympique Lyonnais France 260
27. Club Atlético de Madrid España 255
Real Club Deportivo de La Coruña España 255
29. Glasgow Celtic FC Scotland 236
30. Feyenoord Rotterdam Nederland 227
31. SV Werder Bremen Deutschland 226
32. CD América Cali Colombia 225
33. CSD Colo Colo Santiago Chile 222
34. Sport Lisboa e Benfica Portugal 221
35. Grêmio de Foot-Ball Porto-Alegrense Brasil 212
36. AJ Auxerroise France 204
37. Newcastle United FC England 197
38. Cruzeiro EC Belo Horizonte Brasil 194
39. PSV Eindhoven Nederland 192
40. FBC Olimpia Asunción Paraguay 188
41. Galatasaray SK İstanbul Türkiye 187
42. RSC Anderlecht Belgique 182
43. Olympique de Marseille France 181
44. SE Palmeiras São Paulo Brasil 162
45. TSV Bayer Leverkusen Deutschland 159
46. CA Vélez Sarsfield Argentina 153
47. CD Universidad Católica Santiago Chile 149
48. Club Nacional de Football Montevideo Uruguay 142
FC Schalke 04 Deutschland 142
50. FC Girondins de Bordeaux France 139
Real Zaragoza CD España 139
52. AC Sparta Praha Česká Republika 138
53. FC de Nantes France 136
54. Cerro Porteño FBC Asunción Paraguay 135
55. CDC Atlético Nacional Medellín Colombia 130
56. CR Vasco da Gama Rio de Janeiro Brasil 127
57. Torino Calcio Italia 126
58. Dinamo Kiev Ukraina 123
59. Panathinaikos Athens Greece 113
60. CR Flamengo Rio de Janeiro Brasil 112
61. Santos FC Brasil 111
62. CA San Lorenzo de Almagro Buenos Argentina 107
SK Slavia Praha Česká Republika 107
64. FK Crvena zvezda Beograd Srbija 105
65. Real Club Deportivo Mallorca España 103
66. SC Corinthians Paulista São Paulo Brasil 95
67. Real Betis Balompié España 93
68. Sevilla FC España 91
69. Leeds United AFC England 87
70. Sampdoria UC Genova Italia 83
71. Eintracht Frankfurt Deutschland 76
72. VfB Stuttgart Deutschland 75
73. Villarreal CF España 74
74. AEK Athens Greece 73
CSKA Moscow Russia 73
76. Lokomotive Moscow Russia 72
77. Olympiakos Piräus Greece 69
78. CA Peñarol Montevideo Uruguay 68
SC Internacional Porto Alegre Brasil 68
80. AC Firenze Italia 64
81. CA Mineiro Belo Horizonte Brasil 57
82. AZ Alkmaar Nederland 56
FC Steaua Bucureşti România 56
Lille Olympique Sporting Club France 56
85. Tottenham Hotspur FC England 55
86. AFC Rapid Bucureşti România 51
87. CA Independiente Avellaneda Argentina 50
RCD Espanyol Barcelona España 50
89. AD São Caetano Brasil 48
Sporting Clube de Portugal Lisboa Portugal 48
91. Hamburger SV Deutschland 46
92. FC Kaiserslautern Deutschland 43
Beşiktaş SK İstanbul Türkiye 43
94. CF América Ciudad de México México 40
Racing Club de Lens France 40
VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach Deutschland 40
97. Boavista FC Porto Portugal 39
Bologna Calcio Italia 39
Cienciano del Cusco Peru 39
Club Deportivo Guadalajara México 39
Karlsruher SC Deutschland 39
Real Club Celta de Vigo España 39
How They Came Up With Their Point System
An All-time Club World Ranking can only be meaningful and useful if it can be determined by taking account all the results of the national championships, the national cup competitions, the club competitions of the six continental confederations. It is therefore only possible to determine an All-time Club World Ranking from January 1st, 1991 – when the Club World Ranking began taking all these details into consideration. The period from 1872 to 1990 can only be asssessed subjectively, mostly by using national and international champions as a guide. It follows that teams placed in the individual competitions cannot be taken into consideration, even if their titles were won easily or in spite of many defeats. It is simply not possible to establish a basis for giving all participating clubs an equal opportunity for the period 1872 to 1990. The IFFHS has therefore has decided, logically, that the All-time Club World Ranking should be determined from January 1st, 1991 using the annual Club World Ranking (the situation at 31st December annually). For this it will take into consideration the “Top 50 Clubs”, annually and award them points from 50 points for the top club down to 1 point for the club in 50th place. Adding the points from the individual years for each club will provide the All-time Club World Ranking. (To Quote their official site)
What do you non-Juventini think? Tough to argue against our place on the list with the Juventus of the 90’s, either way you look at it.
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Comments
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How the hell are INTER so high on this list? Disregarding last season and the paper scudettos, they haven’t won anything in YEARS, they completely suck.
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Lebanon
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It’s a shame that our club, one of the most prestigious of all time, had to resort to cheating. It’s embarrassing and a shame, really.
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i am surprised Barca got the #1 spot, I thought ManU would have been awarded that.
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I still think the best club of all time is the 7-Iron. I mean, the club just has so much versatility.
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Mike I guess coming in third and lower year after year after year adds up.
Alessandro i’m not even gonna go there.
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Roberto, our club has been tarnished. We can draw the top names in football, yet cannot fill our stands. The forefathers that build this organization are probably rolling in their graves. We are Italian football. We are tradition. Let’s clean it up.
Unlike you, I am unwilling to “sweep it under the carpet”
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How the hell did Barcelona get so high? They’ve been in the Champions League final twice since 1992, Juve has been 4 times, Milan several as well. Barca won 6 La Liga titles, not counting calciopoli we’ve won 7. How many golden ball winners do they have? Like 3…most of are split. Juve has 3.5, Zidane, Cannavaro, Nedved, Baggio.
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I’m just thinking we were targeted unfairly a little more then I’m willing to admit that our recent titles (taken away in calciopoli) couldn’t have been justifiably won with the calibre of players we had. Alessandro I admire your honesty and your willingness to admit fault on our part existed in order to move forward out of this mess. Juventus is tradition, we are italian football and our forefathers (Agnelli & Co., Bettega etc.) are ashamed. But i’m not for one second thinking other forces interested in our demise weren’t at play.
Your a great fan and I’m proud to support Juventus with you.
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Roberto, you prove my point. We had the top calibre of players to win fairly (and easily for the most part), we didn’t need any assistance.
But we are back, and by next year, will be the class of the league.Posted from
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dumb question, but, how does the loan system work? is it comparable to anything in the big 4 U.S. Sports?
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RJ, a loan is when team B borrows a player from team A for a set amount of time. (usually a season or half a season.) The player plays for team B and is payed by them. After the period is over, the player goes back to team A. Note: The loaned player cannot play against the team it was loaned from.
Comparing it to anything American is impossible because this idea is nonexistant in their sports. The closest thing I can think of is when a player is traded during the trade deadline but returns to the team is traded from the next season. For example, Doug Weight was from the Blues to the Hurricanes at the trade deadline. After the season was over, he resigned with the Blues. This is different, but the easiest thing to compare it to. Hopefully, that wasnt too confusing.Posted from
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R.J. i’m trying to think of an example where some loan-ish thing happens in the States & Canada. The only example I can come up with is the farm leagues those big NHL and MLB teams use for youngsters. In theory, those first teams who own a players rights send them back to Triple ‘A’ or their farm team just for more reps. But, the difference I find with soccer is that the first team can (ie Juve, Man U, Barca) loan their players out on contractual agreements to completely foreign teams/leagues whilst still owning their rights.
Same shit, just “farm teams” are global. Does that help?
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Allesandro I didn’t know about how the loaned player cannot play against the team it was loaned from…. What about Giovinco when he played against Juventus earlier this season in Coppa Italia for Empoli?
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i think they changed that rule and now it is to the coach’s choice to play the player against his parent club
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That would explain it, thanks sofia. hey what position do you play? Canadian women’s soccer is incredible at the moment. I can’t tell you how many hotties I see at the hangar or BMO field or soccer centre on a daily period.
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Alessandro, thanks for clearing that up for me.
Roberto, i know what you mean. I have a weakness for soccer girls. I was friends with all the girls soccer players in college and actually got one to cheat on her soccer player boyfriend with me. just thought i’d share. sofia is probably a goalie, if you know what i mean.
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Dude, this is a totally different thing than what I post on the front page. But I assume you knew that, and were just looking for clicks? (:
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haha well off the pitch im can play whatever position you like but on the pitch i play striker or mid…well i play more of ADP’s position….
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“whatever position you like”
haha, now you’re talking.
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Thought you might like that one R.J. haha that was for you
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