Delneri’s Juve: What is his vision?

By: agiamba | August 12th, 2010
   

There are a lot of comparisons between Delneri and Fabio Capello. They are both cabbage men, as Special 1 TV would put it. They are both Friuliani, which by extension means they are incomprehensible and approximately 82% German/Slovenian. (No coincidence that at Real Madrid/Roma, Cassano had issues with both of them) And lastly, both are strict believers in the 4-4-2. Thus, some Juventus fans have groaned that we’re going to see defensive, boring football ahead of us, though that is not really the case. Below, a run-down on how Delneri likes to structure his team, and how it may apply to Juventus.

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Unlikely to see any Roberto Carlos-style fullbacks in the team

As far as the defense goes, Marco Motta outlined Delneri’s philosophy on day one. “Above all, the mister reminded us that we are defenders first.” Fullbacks, particularly, are required to be defensive-minded first, as Delneri likes his defense to be compact, allowing little space to the other team. That also applies to the center-backs of course, and while Chiellini and co will certainly advance on set pieces, we won’t see any Giorgio-as-sweeper experiments in the future. Delneri likes his teams to keep a clean sheet, and that starts with defense. Motta and De Cegie are attacking fullbacks, of course, they are young, but both have spoken of the personal attention Delneri has been giving them. He’s got his work cut out with them, but we can be encouraged with what we’ve seen in preseason thus far.

If the fullbacks are generally more defensive, it is the opposite among his wingers. Delneri has always built his team based heavily on his wingers, be it Manfredini and Luciano back at Chievo, or Ferreira, Langella, and Valdes at Atalanta, or more recently Mannini, Guberti, or Semioli at Sampdoria. When asked about his instructions for wingers he said “between another striker and another defender, I prefer the former.” Indeed, his 4-4-2 in attack switches very much into a 4-2-4, with limited defensive responsibilities for wingers. It is obvious that this choice has influences the mercato, Lanzafame and Martinez are both attacking wingers that can even play in a 4-3-3 up top or as a seconda punta. That isn’t to say he doesn’t want his wingers to track back, during preseason Lanzafame has defended his flank and Pepe has shown his “workmanlike nature.” But between defense and offense, he clearly prefers attacking wingers. This is particularly important when you consider what happens when the ball is moved down a single flank.

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Say the ball is moving down the right flank in Delneri’s system. Often, you’d see the right-back make overlapping runs and the left-back holding back to make up a 3-man counter buffer, typically the CBs (if one is forward, say on a set piece, then a CM) and one FB are meant to slow down counter-attacks. In Delneri’s system, I think we’ll often see the right-back providing support, but not making runs constantly in the corner. Instead, you’ll see the left winger running into the box as an additional scoring threat, and the left-back will move up a bit to occupy the space he left. It’s nothing earth-shattering new, but compared to Capello and Ranieri’s 4-4-2, the wingers are given much more freedom to attack the box.

As for the midfield, I think we’ll see a situation similar to Ranieri’s Juve, not as much like Capello’s Juve. Ranieri was criticized for fielding two defensive midfielders, but that wasn’t really ever the case. He basically had one pure central midfielder, and a defensive midfielder with a decent passing ability. Tiago was supposed to be the 2nd, Zanetti ended up taking the place, and in the first year Nocerino was the central midfielder and followed by Marchisio. (Case in point, look at our first game back in Serie A- Nocerino makes it all the way to the byline to cross it to Trezeguet. Later it became apparent he wasn’t really very well rounded.) Last year we desperately needed a regista, as I whined about plenty on this blog, and that’s where Felipe Melo’s inability became obvious. He will suit much better into Delneri’s system, where he will likely play the Zanetti role, of a defensive midfielder with an occasional eye for a pass. The playmaking burden is largely removed from the central midfielders and transferred to the flanks, hence the lack of a need for an out-and-out regista in a 4-4-2, particularly one with a heavy emphasis wingers. Filling the pure central midfielder role will of course be Marchisio, who Delneri said he intends to build much of Juventus around. Sissoko will probably be the (not exactly like-for-like) substitute for Melo, and perhaps Ekdal will remain with Poulsen’s sale as Marchisio’s reserve. I don’t know who he plans to use their otherwise.

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Cassano on the bench last January, as Delneri tinkered with the offense

Up top, it’s simple. Delneri uses what works, and that is typically a classic pairing of a seconda punta and a prima punta. At Sampdoria, it was Cassano and Pazzini quite clearly, and it worked excellently. Cassano started the season drifting wide and not entering the box much, but Delneri converted him into a more central, more clinical striker. That’s not to say Delneri is not up for alternatives, though. At Sampdoria, the team struggled greatly in the dead of winter, going weeks without a win. Everyone assumed the team had gone bust, more or less, after an excellent start, and Delneri did the “unthinkable” and benched Cassano, opting for Nicola Pozzi and two prima puntas up top. It’s not pretty, but it’s a much more physical approach and it started to get Sampdoria some points on the board again. At that point, Cassano was reintroduced into the team.

So where does Diego fit into the attack? The media would like to think he doesn’t, but he does. Delneri said, “I would play a trequartista behind one striker, but behind two, never.” Anotherwords, he’s not a fan of the 4-3-1-2 or the 4-3-3, but we already knew that. Everyone however has forgotten the first portion, and that’s where Diego fits in. There is plenty of history, too. At Atalanta, Delneri played a 4-4-1-1 with mercurial Atalanta captain Cristiano Doni as that trequartista, and talented central forward Sergio Floccari as the man leading the line. A switch between a 4-4-1-1 and a 4-4-2 is not difficult, and it simply depends on who is playing. If Diego is, it’ll be more of a 4-4-1-1 with him playing behind the prima punta, rather than around. If Del Piero plays, it’s a standard 4-4-2 as he’s a far more clinical striker, equally adept at banging them in as much as setting them up. At prima punta, Trezeguet, Amauri, and Iaquinta will all fit in naturally. Trezeguet of course offers the poachers angle, Amauri, the power in the air (hoping for some good crosses), and Iaquinta the pace to run onto through-balls.

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Delneri gets excited about clean sheets

So what is similar and what is different between this and Ranieri/Capello’s 4-4-2s? Similar is the compactness. The team plays together, like a team, defending and attacking together. There is a strong desire for cleansheets, which will come as a welcome surprise after last season. There are two things that a tactical 4-4-2 side can do, and certainly did under Ranieri and Capello, that Delneri will aim for. The first is an ability to hold out leads. Perfect example of this would be our victories against Real Madrid, where we were under immense pressure for significant portions of the game, but did not crack. Not even when Van Nistelrooy scored. The second, is a strength at scoring, and defending against set pieces. During Capello and Ranieri’s era, the tactical discipline meant we took advantage of many set pieces, at the same time it is hard to think of many we conceded, rather, our weakness was generally on the counter-attack. (particularly for Ranieri) Delneri aims to resolve this by keeping the fullbacks defensive, but it also resolves by the refreshing of the squad. We had a fairly old team under Ranieri, and a lot of times they were simply too slow or tired late in the game to track back fast enough on the counter. I think we will find this refreshing- last season, we were pathetic at defending set pieces and more importantly, if pressure was against us, we would crack, and the floodgates opened. Games against Napoli, Bayern, and Fulham showed when we were under sustained pressure, at some point it would just all come apart. We could not hold our own.

How is it different from their systems? It’s more attacking, and more based on wing play. The fact that we don’t have the world-class wingers we did 5 years ago is a knock, but not a complete failure for the system as wingers who are quick are similarly important to excellent dribblers. 4-2-3-1 fans, rejoice. Given Diego playing deep at trequartista, and the attacking nature (both tactically and amount of goals they’ve scored in the past) of our wingers, the 4-4-1-1 is more likely to resemble a 4-2-3-1 (particularly on offense) than a Capello or Ranieri style 4-man midfield.

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How have his teams looked in the past, as far as statistics go? His defense clearly is tight. Last year, Sampdoria conceded the 3rd least goals in the league, only 2 behind 2nd place. In 2008-2009, Atalanta conceded the 8th least amount of goals, though finishing in 11th. It’s no coincidence that the next year, Atalanta conceded far more and were relegated. At both Chievo and Atalanta, however, his first season had a relatively “high” level amount of goals conceded, by “high” I mean that expected, rather than a tight defense. We can probably attribute that to the lag of a team transformation that a smaller team forces, it takes far longer for Chievo to change their team than ourselves. As far as offense goes, Sampdoria didn’t light the world on fire last year, finishing a relatively miserly 9th in the scoring charts, though I would attribute that to a lack of depth for the wings and offense. At Atalanta, his team scored a few more goals than their placing in the standings, which is probably what we should expect. We shouldn’t expect Barcelona-style scoring, but we will score the appropriate amount of goals, assuming Delneri can extract the best from our forwards.

I’ve said enough, but I do have faith in Delneri. He’s a solid coach, and if his mission is to get us into the Champion’s League, he is a good man for it. Like Ranieri, there are questions over whether he can inspire his team with the confidence or odd tactical change necessary to win the league, but that’s not what we’re focused on this coming season. We fight for 3rd, and in March if we’re at Inter’s level, then we can start thinking about the Scudetto. Of course, this is his vision for Juventus- whether he gets us playing it is a whole different situation, and that’s one we’ll simply have to wait for. Personally, I can’t wait for the season to start.

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  • Guest
    ah, now i see the del neri/delneri situation, that clears it up. interesting that in most italian media he's still del neri, rather than delneri. thanks for the links agiamba.
  • bulle
    Nnahoj - Ben Arfa sounds interesting but maybe he would fit better at the wing than behind the prima punta. Can't wait to see what Marotta pulls off the next two weeks!
  • bulle
    This was a great read, thanx agiamba!
  • Nnahoj
    I just had a thought.

    If we do in fact sell Diego, what about signing Marseille's Ben Arfa on loan with an option to buy? I say on loan as I know a few other clubs (Newcastle and Parma to note two) were interested in this type of deal for him. And he seems to really want to leave Marseille.
  • Yahya
    Very annoyed at hearing the news that Ekdal has left Juve. This does not make sense to me. I think he was our best midfield passer, and we let him go. Now we are left with only 3 mid-fielders, only 1 is actually a decent passer.

    Further more, I go nuts every time I hear the word Dzeko. He is a great striker, BUT WE DON'T NEED HIM RIGHT NOW, I have been singing this for a long time. I was over the moon when we signed Bonucci and motta, but we still need another left-back. The main problem is the defence and midfield. We cannot start the season with 3 mid-fielders.

    All in all, we should NOT tamper with the attack, that can wait till next year, besides, goal scoring was not a problem last year, it was holding on to leads, so I really hope we bolster the defence and midfield in time.

    In Marrotta I trust.
  • Jorid
  • Jorid
    Gaetano: You're probably right. Mine was really just wishful thinking about what we should do if we DO sell Diego.
    I think with about 30 million we can bring home both Krasic and Eljero.

    If we were to buy both of Elia and Krasic, I think Lanciafiamme and Pepe would still get plenty of play time, since both of them can cover multiple positions in midfield and play as strikers also.
  • Gaetano
    "Antonio Cassano, Giampaolo Pazzini and Reto Ziegler will all remain at Sampdoria for 2010-11, it has been confirmed."

    and so it seems we will not get pazzini or cassano.
  • Nnahoj
    Gaetano, I think Grygera is staying as our second RB. He was poor last year, but in his first season he was very good and his second he was decent. I think last year might have had a lot to do with his fitness problems (constantly stopping and starting and never building up form). I'm willing to keep him as a back-up in the hope that he recaptures form from his first season.

    So Ekdal's gone to Bologna (blech!). Now we have to find a replacement for ANOTHER player. And we still have about 5 players to offload. Great. Losing faith already...
  • Somnath_Sengupta
    @Gaetano

    I am not saying they are good choices. They are not & I totally agree with what you say.

    What I am saying is that we might not get a new RB as we already have a few, most of whom we wont be able to offload. Irrespective of quality we have quantity :|

    If Marotta is working on trimming wage bill, dont you think it would be natural that we dont get too many players for same position? If we can offload any two of those 3 guys, then we will get a new RB.

    It would have worked fine if Barca had agreed another loan deal for Caceres.
  • Gaetano
    @jorid

    while I agree that Elia and krasic would be good choices,both pepe and lanzafame would have been bought to be substitutes? This is not a criticism but just a speculation. This doesn t seem right to me.

    I think that if we get one of Elia or krasic, we will be lucky. I have a feeling if diego goes, it will only be to get dzeko. Also, in this case,we would probably play like others have suggested with Amauri,adp,dzeko,trez,iaquinta rotating.

    If Diego leaves
  • Gaetano
    Somnath are you suggesting that you would be comfortable having one of zebina,grygera,and brazzo at rightback for an extended period, if motta gets injured? I am not comfortable with this. Yes a leftback is needed more but I m not convinced that we don t need another rightback. These dudes are just wastes!
  • Somnath_Sengupta
    Does anyone have any idea how good Martinez is as SS ????
  • Somnath_Sengupta
    We have 4 RBs currently. Motta, Zebina, Grygera, even Brazzo can play as RB. I think Bonucci can play as RB. I would rather go for Bocchetti who can play both as LB/CB. We wont be able to offload ALL these players in this season...so I dont think we will sign a RB.
  • Jorid
    If Diego does get sold, then I want both Elia and Krasic. If those two would work on the wings, I'd be fine with Martinez playing SS.

    --------Toolbag
    --------Martinez
    Elia-Melo-Marchisio-Krasic
  • Gaetano
    And does anyone want bastos? We will end up overpaying for him too.
  • Gaetano
    But 20 million for another winger total bs. We still need a solid leftback and a sub for motta before we get anything else. Don t know why they are waiting so long for this. It's absurd.
  • Gaetano
    I liked Elia playing for holland. His movement was really nice.
  • I believe this season will be Marchisio's breakthrough season. He should permanently take up one of the CM spots and prove his potential this year.
  • Soccernet reports that we are prioritizing Elia over Krasic. I've seen both of them play only at the World Cup and I was much more impressed by Elia than Krasic.
  • Somnath_Sengupta
    If Marchisio plays one whole season as a CM (lets not waste him on wings), he will be one of the best CMs in Serie A.
  • agiamba
  • Gaetano
    What time is the game(s) today?
  • Gaetano
    I was just suggesting that the team is getting slimmed down...it's no coincedence that we are getting linked to elia,krasic,dzeko,pazzini,cassano,etc.

    If Diego leaves,you can bet that we ll be getting someone big.
  • Jorid
    ned lowe: You are correct. The interview I posted of Melo, was directly from Eurosport and I translated it fine. It was the idiot journalists of Eurosport who changed what Felipe said around.
    For once, I guess Melo is innocent and not a douche haha.

    Somnath: Agreed. Although I don't think Yago and Ayub Daud have what it takes to become future starters for Juve, they were handled pretty carelessly.

    Pasquato and Immobile will both get play time. The first one has Serie B and U21 experience and I think Modena will put faith on him, while Immobile(and Marrone) will have Antonio Conte as their manager. I trust Conte.

    Fausto Rossi on the other hand, is a big question mark. His talent is directly proportional to his injury proneness. If he can stay healthy, he'll play too.

    Also, Ekdal'd deal is only on co-ownership. And we're making 2.4 million out of it, while also keeping the right for purchasing the player's rights as a whole.
  • Robee
    No, tonight we should lose, and lose hard. Just to give us a wake-up call or a reminder that something special needs to come in.
  • And that's an average team Gaetano.A left back still needed & all of a sudden,we're thin in the middle.I'm beginning to get scared of our chances this season.Tonight's trofeo tim would give us our 1st real test.Hopefully we'll pass with flying colours.
  • alharazy
    With Poulsen, Gio, Ekdal and now Diego all heading for the exit, who's going to pass the ball? Next year's strategy...No passing just crossing! I have no idea what Beppe and GDN are doing all I know is they're smoking something
  • vignesh
    watch Bayern vs Real Madrid Live and triangular between inter vs Milan vs Juventus at http://sports4ready.blogspot.c...
  • Gaetano
    Pdc,Marchiso,melo,sissoko
  • Gaetano
    Marchisio is not overrated. He can be inconsistent though,especially recently. When he is on form, it is beautiful to watch, but then he kind of drops off during some matches. I think he ll need to play few more games in his natural position before he settles again.

    One thing is for sure, he sure as hell despises inter.

    Another cm would be great.
    Some $ is being generated with the departures of giovinco,poulsen,ekdal,and more than likely
    tiago. Come on Moratta work your magic with zebina,brazzo,and grosso.

    That would trim us down to
    Buffon,manniger,storari,motta,grygera,bonucci,ferrero,chiellini,legro,pdc,momo,marchisio,melo,lanzafame,pepe,martinez,camo, adp,diego,trez,iaquinta,amauri.
    22 players.
  • agiamba
    Not sure how any Juventino can call for Poli and say "Marchisio is overrated." Poli could be the new Brighi, for all we know. Claudio has excellent tactical sense, was fielded out of position too often last year.
  • agiamba
    Ekdal out...media convinced we're going to bring in another CM. And we should, down to 3 is not enough.

    We made a bid for Elia, but Hamburg considered 12mil "not serious" wants something they can fund 2-3 players with, more like 20mil. The transfer market is insane.

    La Stampa convinced tonight's match against Inter/Milan will be Diego's last in bianconero. Hope not.
  • Guest
    ah, now i see the del neri/delneri situation, that clears it up. interesting that in most italian media he's still del neri, rather than delneri. thanks for the links agiamba.
  • whats the deal with shipping out all our exciting youngsters???
  • Mass
    Very disappointed to see another young emerging talent being shipped out of the club. Not very confident for the new season. This team is very average, their is a real lack of offensive quality in this Juve side. We have a real battle for the top four this coming season.
  • ergo
    So it's acutally Gino Delneri...? Haha

    All the Diego talk about 'we will find out more in two days', is there anything about Diego in the news??
  • FJD
    Ekdal to bologna... i wonder if we'll just stick to 3 cms this season
    http://juventus.com/site/eng/N...
  • nico
    lets get poli please. i've never wanted to say it before because i know so many will disagree, but marchisio really is overrated (and sissoko is so underrated)

    sissoko-poli- JUVE '11
  • Alastair
    Some speculation about Poli. We should try and get him cheaply on a co-ownership deal. A future Pirlo.
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