Borriello to join the ItalJuve “Something to Prove” Revolution?

By: agiamba | August 30th, 2010

When asked if he’ll stay at the club, Borriello said: “I don’t know, I am at the height of my career. I have to make a decision. A great champion has arrived and so the space for me is limited.” Milan talisman Clarence Seedorf believes his team-mate should keep a cool head. “For me, Borriello must stay calm. There are still a few days until the end of the market. I don’t like this way of doing things. I would like it if the market were closed already in July. It’s not right that a season starts and you still don’t know where you might end up.”

What do I think about this move? Meh. Same as Quagliarella. It is proving that unfortunately, Beppe Marotta does not have a master plan, and we should seriously question his evaluation of some players quality. I don’t think Quagliarella or Borriello are “Juve-quality” players, nor do either of them merit a 16mil transfer fee.

However, is Borriello better than Amauri? Given the last year, in which Marco scored 14 goals and Amauri 5, yes. The biggest question for Borriello should be the same as Aquilani- injuries. In 08-09, Borriello spent nearly the entire season with Nesta on the treatment table. If he can stay healthy, well, Borriello is the best of a Serie A’s most profligate group of strikers. He’s no Pazzini, but considering it appears Marotta is unable to nab Pazzo, he might be the “least worst striker.”

The other question we should have about this move is it’s effect on future mercati. All these loan moves with right-to-buys are great, but between Pepe, Motta, Borriello, Quagliarella, and Aquilani, we’d have about 55mil in signings next summer. Which kind of precludes future signings. All of these players seem to be solid players for the current season of rebuilding, but can we create a future Juventus with these players?

Ideally, I’d take Borriello on loan…and then just not sign him next summer, unless he makes a hell of an impact. Or more ideally, rather than sign Quagliarella and Borriello, two strikers at their peak (and not real champions) we’d have kept Trezeguet, Diego, and our 30million in transfer fees…

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pablouv

Officially oficial: We signed Traore on loan (it's on juve web page). I'd put the link but that would need an approval.
Guest

WTF???? our mercato is over????

http://www.football-italia.net...

probably pulling our legs as he is sneakingly preparing 2 devestating incoming moves, otherwhise,...
we sold diego,... for only quagriarelli?? seriously? they better be joking
pablouv

Agiamba, could you approve the link I just send? thanks.
Ash

looks like u guys are done

http://www.football-italia.net...
mufid

GDN is a joke. i would have invested big in a foreign coach, german or spanish, because italian coaches are hopeless they becoming like english ones. i see how atelitico, barca, even bremen and bayern play and i get depressed by juve displays. 4-4-2 will kill us this season, even bari knew how to stop it. mercy mercy me.
pablouv

With all due respect, I'm glad you are not the one making those kind of calls. Do you realize that Atletico was 9th last season on La Liga (a much easier league than Serie A)? Ok, they won the Europa League, but 9th on La liga? Seriously?

And you can't compare us to barca, nor Bayern (who has lots of money and due to that, they have player like Ribery and Robben). This is why fans are not good sporting directors, they have a hard time at keeping their feet on the ground.
JoePesci

"Do you realize that Atletico was 9th last season on La Liga (a much easier league than Serie A)? Ok, they won the Europa League, but 9th on La liga?"

Are you insane? La Liga much easier than Serie A?! Do you watch La Liga? Ever? Atletico would be a top 4 team in last year's Serie A. Some of you people really make me cringe with your nonsense.
Marco P.

And don't forget the emphasis Serie A teams put on defense, compared to La Liga where most players with flair are allowed to roam free. It's also a big factor making Serie A more difficult (not necessarily "better", just tougher to play in).
pablouv

La Liga top teams might be better than Serie A top teams (thus that is very disputable), but the fact is that Serie A is more difficult because it is more balanced. I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that a Leage where the champion has 99 points (and scores 98 goals) and the second has 96 points (with 102 goals), is a difficult league.
pablouv

It's ok, I was waiting for something like this.

Take a look at this link to get an idea of how balanced are this leagues:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/20...
agiamba

La Liga is wholly unbalanced. Top 2 teams are clear ahead, other teams far behind. Atletico wouldn't make 4th in last years Serie A, trust me, I watch a lot of Atletico. Not with their defense, and not with their inconsistency.
Pablo G

I think Marotta feels that the team is empty just like when you go out shopping to buy anything just to cover that emptiness feeling. This looks like the same mistakes Real Madrid is making but with a lot less money...our standards went very low. I don't know you guys but I think Krasic, Camo and ADP need to play 90 minutes every game.
Marco P.

While I have no doubts with Krasic, there is no way ADP can endure 90 minutes of soccer every week (or twice in the same week when we have Europa League).
jorid22

THIS pretty much.
Comrade

Camoranesi deserves his own post. Roberto?
Denny

it's hard for me to stomach these things, but our realities are slowly begininng to dawn on me...

1. we r NOT in the champions league (and nobody really wants to play in that other UEFA competition that's played on thursday nights! ...at least not until the final stages when things begin to get interesting and you get to play someone more exciting than Lech Poznan, BATE Borisov or Karpaty Lyiv in a stadium with 7,892 spectators)

2. fact #1 DRASTICALLY reduces our chances of landing the likes of zlatan, robinho, benzema, ozil or any of the other marquee signings that would have us rubbing our palms in glee (our cause is definitely not helped by the sporting and administrative mess we have been over the last 2-3 years ; yes our books are balanced and our finances are healthy , but this is NOT the Corporate Social Responsibility League ; it's professional football where players crave the big-match nights, fat salaries and title-winning glory and so they'd rather be at a financially-precarious man city, real madrid, barcelona or ac milan than a 'legendary' juventus)

3. beppe marotta's one good eye is the all-seeing eye and so he knew facts # 1 and #2 long before they even crossed our infantile minds ... so the objective this season is to qualify for the champions league next season

4. now consider that we needed to rebuild the team this summer (in view of the unimpressive showing of juventus version 2009/2010!) what kind of players would you buy ? remember fact #1 ? ... now think again ...
pablouv

I agree with us the fans being the problem, not the signings for this year. We thought that we were going to challenge for the scudetto after our worst season EVER, just because we have tons of money (which we don't have) to sign all the players in the world. But that's simply not true.

I agree that selling Diego and loaning Giovinco doesn't look very ambitious (and if I had Marotta's job I wouldn't have done that, but for obvious reasons I don't have Marota's job). But we have to respect the work of these people (Delneri, Marotta and Agnelli). We can't condemn them after our first Serie A game. It's a completely new team, it will need time.

We might not like their plan, but it makes sense. Right now we don't have the money nor the CL to get the best players in the world. So we have two choices:

1) Do what Secco did, spend lots of money (whic, again, we don't have) on signing players that are not good enough, pay them huge salaries to convince them to come (since we don't have CL nor real scudetto ambitions) and then suffer to get rid of them... and not wining anything in the meantime.

2) Get rid of some players with high salaries, get one year loans on some players who will only help us to accomplish our true objective of this year (get into CL), and then get rid of them for free. If this works next year we will have more money and we will be more attractive to sign the right players.

Again, you might not like option 2, but the guys who are leading the team does like it, and they at least deserve a change to prove us wrong.

P.S. I'm tired of saying "we" when it's pretty obvious there's only some people who live in wonderland where rabbits talk and Juventus can hire Messi for peanuts. I've always had faith in this project and I might be wrong, but the time to decide this will be the end of the season, not Week 1 of Serie A!!!!!!!!
Somnath_Sengupta

Neither Wolfsburg, not Napoli, nor Genoa are playing in UCL. Look at the mercato of these teams. I agree that we can get Ozil or Ibra. But we definitely could have gotten a Cavani , a Rafinha.

Besides letting go Giovinco or Diego (for 10 m less) dont make good reading either. If we were reluctant about paying Trez's 4.5 m wages, why are we now paying 3 m & not getting his services at the same time ?
Robee

Cavani and Rafinha aren't better one bit than Motta or Quagliarella...
JoseR

The Trez deal was mutual agreement. Trez did not want to play second fiddle to anyone and he wanted to leave. We are paying him 3m as a parting gift for all that he has done. He leaves Juve and our dressing room will have more peace, he gets to play football for a couple more years in a league that is at this time better than ours and where he can do a lot more for his team than he could do for Juve.

And I see what you say about Napoli or Genoa but 18m for Cavani I think it is an exaggeration, the guy is not that good... better than Amauri, of course, but considering Milan will pay 24m for Zlatan in one year then Cavani is at least 4 or 5m too expensive. We haven't seen Rafinha play for an Italian side but after our experience with Amauri, Melo and to a lesser extent Diego, it is safe to say that we should be careful when signing Brazilians. I feel that having all of those Brazilians in our squad created a tare in the dressing room and those things need to be solved or else no matter how awesome the players you have are the team will not win.

The transfer market this year was still in last year's mode. You know with the mega signings of Kaka, C. Ronaldo, Robinho, and Ibrahimovic. Al of those deals were too high and drove the market to a high. Now things are slowly stabilizing and I bet you that next year we will be able to get good players for less money. After the Ibrahimovic deal we know that Barca payed at least 40m too much, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Man. City loose a lot of money on the Robinho deal.
Denny

wolfsburg lost their season opener to bayern and lost again last weekend despite buying diego and scoring thrice....genoa also lost their season opener to udinese

i don't presume to have all the answers somnath ... i just try to put some perspective on things
Somnath_Sengupta

Wolfsburg played pretty well in both games. Mainz game was a crazy one.

Genoa won 1-0, Mesto scored.
Denny

my bad ... yes genoa did win their opener...

reiterates what i said earlier :" i don't presume to have all the answers " ...
Somnath_Sengupta

I agree we *cant* get..
Somnath_Sengupta

So we are getting Boriello to enable Milan to get Robinho ?
Comrade

Latest thing is that Marotta has given up on Borriello and he is linked with Roma instead.
AT

camoranesi is gone. this is the worst mercato of my life. not so much because it was actually terrible, but we lost two of the remaining four players that had stuck with us through serie b (and were actually useful), and both of them still had something to offer to the team. But what upsets me even more is that they were discarded by the managment like they were zebina.
The true supporters of this team will always remember you MAURO!
all the best in Stuttgart.
Alex85

just out of curiosity, who are the four players that stuck with us through serie b and were actually useful?

I would imagine its ADP, Buffon, nedved and Trez. I always rated Camo as a good player, not a legend and if I remembered correctly, he was forced to stay with us in serie b and bitched about it ALOT.
pablouv

I don't think they discarded Trez. I think it was more like a mutual consent with very good terms for the player in fact.

I don't know much about the Camo deal yet, but I think it was pretty clear that the new management didn't wanted to keep him at his current salary.
AT

what i meant is that legends like trez and camo deserve a fairwell-game, much like nedved's was, something that will always be a happy memory for both them and us.
dweb

funniest thing ive seen this morning: on the juventus website, there are articles announcing the destinies of both camo and zebina. the camo article: http://juventus.it/site/ita/NE... . fitting and long; a nice tribute to a player of HUGE quality. the zebina article: http://juventus.it/site/ita/NE... . hahahahaha FUCK that loser!
astanos

The problem is that if we don't get Borriello, I don't know which other striker we could get... and after reading the latest news about it, it seems that he will stay in Milan or join Roma, as we don't want to buy it and Roma does (apparently "fumata nera", as italian newspapers like to say).
Pazzini? Samp won't free it, or only for a LOT of money. Forlan? Don't see any reason why he could want to join us as he's like a god in Madrid.
Thanks Marotta for having spent almost a month on the Dzeko case... less than 5 hours to go to get 2 players now!
Oh and by the way, it seems that Kaladze won't join us. They discovered during his health tests & co for Genoa that he has a problem with his knee. At least one good new today
Pasquale Molluso

Reading a few of the posts and also from watching the games.. really worrying how our full backs are supposedly better offensively than they are defensively, yet the big issue that Del Neri pointed out against Bari was how weak we were getting forward.. if they're gonna play like that, why even have full backs?
Mass

Zebina and Camoranesi have officially left Juventus. Glad to see the back of Zebina, but disappointed to see Camoranesi go. I would have preferred him to see out his final year at Juve and leave next summer. Camoranesi is a far better player than both Martinez and Pepe.

Regarding Traore, he is a good prospect. I've seen him play for both Arsenal and Portsmouth. He has a very good offensive game but defensively he still needs work. I think he would be a decent signing, but he would need time and games to adapt to Serie A. I would say he is a slight improvement on De Ceglie and he is only 20.

I'm worried, Inter have a very strong squad already and Milan have seemingly signed two world class players in Ibra and Robinho. We are way behind both teams. Marotta has made some really silly mistakes in this transfer campaign. And now with rumours of Borriello's potential transfer, it appears as if he will make another one. Borriello is NOT an improvement on what we already have. If Marotta cannot sign a striker that improves our offensive line, then I'd prefer him to concentrate on signing a defender as we are in massive need of some defensive cover.

I'll be honest I'm expecting another long and disappointing season. I think Del Neri was a mistake. We needed to go for a young offensive minded tactician, namely Deschamps. I think releasing the likes of Edkal, Giovinco and Diego were mammoth mistakes, that will come back to haunt us. I find it funny that people think Giovinco will come back next season! The way we have treated him over the last 2 years, why would he want to return.

Marchisio is a decent midfielder but he hasn't played well for months. At the moment he doesn't deserve to have a starting place within the team. He should be benched in favour of Aquilani. He really needs to pick his performances up and quickly.

I hope for a champions league place but I think that we will endure another disappointing campaign. In fact I don't expect Del Neri to see out the season. Their have just been too many transfer mistakes and Del Neri doesn't have the motivational ability or tactical brain to create a great team.
Robee

Why would he ? Because he simply loves Juventus... And when our great number 10 jersey retires I'm sure Alex wouldn't want anyone else to inherit it... He'll be back, that's a 99.9% certainty.
Guest

i could not agree more specialy on the giovinco matter, i think its very doubdfull he will join juve again... the kid will show this season whats he's worth , i would be surprised if he'll end up with milan or inter just to take revenge
JoePesci

Apparently the deal taking Robinho to Milan is conditioned by Borriello's transfer to Juve...and since Robinho is at Milanello having his physical as we speak, I'd say Borriello to Juve is a done deal too...the only question that remains is - will it be a loan deal or a permanent transfer? Either way, I expect confirmation of both deals about 10 minutes before the window closes.
Guest

just read rumour roma is luring him away
nico

i seriously agree with the people saying we should have decided on 4-2-3-1 at the beggining of the transfer season. Then i would've just got bonucci and kolarov and we'd be set

buffon
motta, bonucci, chiellini, kolarov
marchisio, melo
camo, diego, gio
amauri/trez

something along those lines
Robee

And Motta... And you'd still have no solution for any injury of either Camoranesi, Diego, Giovinco or Marchisio... So in that persepective we did transfers we actually needed to do.

I would've preferred the 4-2-3-1, but the difference is actually very small and we should just believe in what our staff is doing, I guess...