BATE 2-2 Juventus: Another draw, more frustration

By: alessio | September 30th, 2008


Only 4 more games, ragazzi!

I don’t know who to blame for the draw today. I think it’d be wrong to blame Ranieri, and Secco doesn’t deserve criticism either, no one could have predicted the insane injury crisis would hit us this early in the season. Overall I think this has to be the players, they just didn’t show any real desire to win the game today. Anyways, here are a few of my comments and then a more-indepth review of the match courtesy of Marco over at mCalcio.

The Good:
Giovinco: No doubt he was the star of the show, with two great assists to Iaquinta to draw the game. But what I can’t understand is why he hasn’t really shown us the dribbling yet? At Empoli he was constantly taking men on one-on-one, and while he’s had some great touches we haven’t really seen him take on anyone yet. I wonder if he’s worried about losing possession too much.
Pavel Nedved: He’s 36 and he played a full 90, only a few days after playing a full 90, and he looked solid out there. No, of course he’s not the Nedved of 2003 but at this rate I don’t see why he couldn’t continue another year.
Iaquinta: I’ll quote Goal.com’s editorial on this one- “Usually criticised for not being clinical, tonight he had two chances and finished both with aplomb.” He hadn’t scored a goal yet in the campaign but got on the scoreboard and crucially so.
Bate: We didn’t play bad today, although we didn’t play good, but Bate played great. They took us on with no fear, attacking well and scored two solid goals. Here’s to hoping they can take some points off of Zenit.
Ranieri: I know this won’t be a popular choice, as Ranieri’s approval among most Juventini is pretty low these days (except for me, as most of you know) but I thought he put out a great formation today. He pulled Camoranesi when he was tired and it became obvious our center-midfield needed an injection of energy, and gave Giovinco, Marchisio, and De Ceglie plenty of playing time out there. Against Sampdoria I thought things were a little off but I think he got it right today, so I don’t know what we’re missing.

The Mediocre:
De Ceglie: I won’t blame him entirely for the goal, but he should have been marking his man on the 2nd goal.
Chiellini: Similar to De Ceglie, he made another uncharacteristic error on the first goal. Gorgeous through ball, though. I wonder if he’s not fully fit from his injury, because he’s been a little more error prone recently than normal.
Camoranesi: Very little magic from our midfield maestro today. He’s done great playing more centrally before but it just didn’t seem to be happening, rightfully substituted at the half.

The Bad:

Defense: It felt like watching the Galacticos back there. All good players, but there seemed to be very little command or coordination. Without Buffon organizing the defense, someone has to step up. Manninger, maybe, but I think Chiellini needed to assert his leadership on the pitch.
Juventus: We’re not playing particularly awful, not great either, but something’s just missing from our team. 3 draws in a row is not a particularly envious record. I miss Trezeguet already. Frustrating.

Bate Borisov's Sergei Sosnovski (L) viesfor the ball with Juventus' Vincenzo Iaquinta during their UEFA Chapmpions League group H football match on September 30, 2008, in Minsk. (AFP/Getty Images)

[From mCalcio.com...] After Catania and Sampdoria in Serie A, Juventus obtained their third consecutive draw in less than a week, this time in the UEFA Champions League. And don’t be fooled by the name: if drawing against Bate Borisov (a Belarusian team at its European top competition debut) might seem like a bad result on paper, the Bianconeri can actually be quite thankful for the point they obtained in Minsk today.

Indeed, his team’s apocalyptic initial 30 minutes (Juve were down by two goals in the 23th) could have very well cost Claudio Ranieri his first defeat of the season, but fortunately Juventus’s reputation as the “team that never gives up” isn’t for nothing. Grabbing the match by the gonads, the Bianconeri held their head up high and managed to grab the equalizer before half-time, courtesy of two tallies by Vincenzo Iaquinta. Scary times in Minsk these days… must be the cold.

UEFA Champions League 2008-09 - Bate Borisov vs. Juventus

Juventus started this match, quite litterally, “horror-style“. Claudio Ranieri had decided to make a last-minute change to his “two-defensive-mids-wing-attack” formation, and inserted Sebastian Giovinco in lieu of Mauro Camoranesi (who moved to central midfield) on the right wing. What may seemingly have been a good move in terms of optimizing playmaking, actually turned out to be a logistics error of colossal proportions. The Bianconeri were spread too widely on the field, always outnumbered by their Bate opponents during ball possession, and without a defensive mid partner to aid him in the center, Momo Sissoko’s recuperation duties heavily suffered.

FC Bate on the other hand, exhibiting a dynamic 4-5-1 formation (with active & motivated players on the wings), immediately took advantage of Juve’s tactical problems. The first goal, arriving partly because of a Chiellini offside trap error and partly because of Legrottaglie’s injury (he’d have to be replaced by Dario Knezevic), was just the tip of the iceberg-disaster yet to come. exploiting a Dmitri Likhtarovich through ball, Bate’s nº10 Sergey Krivets escaped through on goal, dribbled past Manninger and deposited the ball into the empty net. 1-0 Bate. Juve supporters pinched themselves… were they dreaming?

Just 5 minutes later, the (bad) dream turned into a (horrible) nightmare, because the home team made it two. Cue assist nº2 for Likhtarovich, delivering a long cross from the left towards Igor Stasevich on the opposite post. Nedved (what was he doing defending?) missed the interception, and the Belarusian midfielder powered an accurate header towards the far post. Manninger didn’t even move. 2-0 Bate.

Players of BATE Borisov soccer team celebrate their goal against Juventus during their Champions League soccer match at the Dinamo stadium in Minsk, September 30, 2008. (REUTERS)

At this point, the psychological blow would have been too hard for an ordinary team to overcome. Not for Juve: it was time to put the “grinta” (fighting spirit) factor into the equation. Alex Del Piero sounded the charge (good free-kick attempt below the bar, saved by Veremko), shortly followed by Giovinco and Iaquinta: Super-Seba provided the passing, Vincenzo the finishing. First, a good cross by the Bianconeri youngster (receiving full marks for his first European performance tonight) found the header of the ex-Udinese striker. 2-1.

Fifteen minutes later, and in the last minute of stoppage time, Vincenzo made it two. Another good run and pass by Giovinco was well-finalized by Iaquinta, sending the ball between the keeper’s legs to tie the game. 2-2. Juve supporters now breathing again.

Juventus' Vincenzo Iaquinta celebrates his second goal against FC Bate Borisov during a Champions League Group H soccer match at the Dinamo stadium in Minsk, Tuesday, Sept. 30, 2008. (AP Photo by SERGEI GRITS)

At the restart, Ranieri fixed the central midfield leak by replacing Camoranesi with Claudio Marchisio. Juventus turned to their usual wing-attack formation, coupled with the odd percussion of Sissoko (more and more reminiscent of Patrick Vieira) down the center, but it was still Bate giving Manninger scares. Such as in minute 55, when Aleksandr Volodko was litterally given a “rolling penalty-kick” opportunity, but incredibly ballooned his shot over the bar.

It was however the last scare of the night for the Bianconeri, who picked up the pace and took control of the proceedings. Del Piero’s contribution growed exponentially, with the Juve captain coming close to the left (chipped acrobatic shot over the goalkeeper) and then the right post (diagonal left-footed effort after a 1-2 pass with Giovinco, wide). It was essentially the last highlight of the game, which even saw the appearance of Amauri (on for Iaquinta) in the final minutes.

In the end, as the Bate supporters celebrated their first point in the UEFA Champions League, Ranieri can be moderately satisfied with the outcome. Sure, Real Madrid went to beat FC Zenit 2-1 in the other game (and now count 6 points over Juve’s 4 in the group), but there’s still plenty of matches left in Group H. Huh? Just four you say?

Juventus' Giorgio Chiellini (L) fights for the ball with BATE's Vitali Rodionov during their Champions League soccer match at the Dinamo stadium in Minsk September 30, 2008.

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 FC BATE Borisov BATE-JUVENTUS
2-2
[Match Highlights]
Juventus F.C.
GOALSCORERS: 17’ Kryvets (B), 23’ Stasevich (B), 29’, 45’ Iaquinta (J).
BATE BORISOV (4-5-1): Veremko – Kazantsev, Sosnovski, Rzhevski, Yurevich – Likhtarovich (70’ Sivakov), Volodko, Kryvets, Stasevich, Nekhaychik (86’ Mirchev) – Rodionov (92’ Pecha). (bench: Gutor, Bliznyuk, Skavysh, Sakharov). Coach: Goncharenko.
JUVENTUS (4-4-2): Manninger – Grygera, Legrottaglie (18′ Knezevic), Chiellini, De Ceglie – Giovinco, Camoranesi (46’ Marchisio), Sissoko, Nedved – Del Piero, Iaquinta (81’ Amauri). (bench: Chimenti, Salihamidzic, Molinaro, Marchionni). Coach: Ranieri.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 am

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    first you call it soccer so it is you who knows dick about football?!! and you class sissoko in the same sentence as chiellini and buffon you clearly know nothing! and you compare momo to viera? thats is the worst comparison of all time the only thing they have in common is they are both tall and black. viera was the best midfielder in the world at arsenal. and everytime i have watched juve play sissoko loses possession and gets muscled off the ball all the time and tactically he is one of the worst. marchisio is twice the player he can win the ball and pass and knows where he is on pitch. THAT is what a midfielder is for. you dont have a cluj the last great midfielder you had was conte and he could tackle, score and pass like all midfielders!!! that is there entire point! not just to tackle. people think gattuso is just abot tackling but he isnt. sissoko is not worthy of juventus he wouldnt get into any of the top teams and serie a and not even top seven of the premier league.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 am

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    but that is our opinons who knows lets hope he gets better but at the minute hes terrible and the fact a juve fan can put him up there with nedved is disgusting whats momo ever won?

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  • alessio |  October 3rd, 2008 at 10:12 am

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    I’m with Marco on Sissoko. He’s a great player. And we can call it soccer if we want, why does it have to be football? Cause the English use it? In Italian it’s not futbol….it’s calcio. So who cares.

    Ursus, do you have any figures on tifosi?

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  • alessio |  October 3rd, 2008 at 10:20 am

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    By the way, as of yesterday, Juventus is the only Italian team undefeated in all competitions. I know that doesn’t help much, but it’s a nice statistic.

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  • adam |  October 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 am

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    I think it was Ranieri that didn’t want Van der Vaart because he didnt want him to get in the way of Giovinco’s playing time.

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  • ursus arctos |  October 3rd, 2008 at 11:00 am

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    ale,

    It’s very difficult to get real numbers on tifosi because the results depend very much on how you do the survey, when you do the survey, and how you phrase the question (particularly what level of support is needed to qualify).

    For example, the study summarised in the article below put the number of Juventini at only 7 million, but tended to exclude “simpatizzante”; its results also seemed to be highly driven by recent events (Milan up due to the CL win, Juve down due to Calciopoli). It also is very dubious to me because if you add all the numbers up, there are only about 20 million football fans in Italy, which just doesn’t correspond to reality (the population is approx. 60 million).

    http://www.calcioblog.it/post/5102/nuovo-censimento-dei-tifosi-in-netto-calo-gli-juventini-salgono-i-supporters-delle-milanesi-diminuiscono-romanisti-e-laziali

    The general working assumption of most people here is that roughly 25-30% of Italians who care about football support Juve, with 20-25% supporting each of Inter and Milan and the rest supporting the rest (particularly Napoli, the Rome teams, the Genoa teams, Fiorentina, Torino and Palermo) (though many fans of “other” teams will favour one of the Big Three over the other two).

    I wouldn’t have a problem saying that there are at least 15 million Italians who support Juve in one way or another (other than that I wish there weren’t so many, of course).

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 3rd, 2008 at 11:39 am

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    van der vaart (where he play for national team) is perfect for nedveds spot and giovinco for del piero. huntelaar for trezeguet and cassano for camoranesi! and then cigarini and marchisio then de ceglie, chiellini, santacroce, grygera and buffon. that is what juve should be and thats exactly what they could have. secco and ranieri have no idea what they are doing ranieri hasnt won anything why would a team that known as biggest winners in italia get ranieri who doesnt know what winning feels like?!

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  • moka |  October 3rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm

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    Giovinco to Arsenal? What are the chances?

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  • alessio |  October 3rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm

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    Probably about the same as Kaka -> Chelsea.

    Alessandro, no, no no. Huntelaar is not like Trez, although he’s a solid forward. Cassano is not a winger, and Cigarini is relatively unproven. I think our squad is just as good as what you think we should have.

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  • lamagica |  October 3rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm

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    give me a fucking break, alessio. drawing BATE of the belarus league is every bit as embarrassing as roma losing to cluj, if not more. you really need to get some perspective on the situation. first of all, the romanian league winners will be miles better competition than the league winners in the belarus league. on top of that, roma have been decimated by injuries and played with 5 of their regular starters, one of which was playing injured and another coming off a 6month + layoff. also, just to shed light on your ‘reality’, cluj held chelsea (the cl runners up) to a 0-0 draw in their last game.

    also, this is the “mighty” juve we are talking about….a team that you think will blow roma away this season. a “mighty” team should not have to scrape away at a 2-0 deficit to salvage a draw against a team from the BELARUS league, right?

    i understand your prediliction for spinning things rubentus’ way each opportunity you get but that is such a rediculous statement to make.

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  • KJ |  October 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm

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    ignore lamagica- he is clueless

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  • lamagica |  October 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm

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    kj, you never fail in providing posts of ’substance’. shit is the substance i was thinking of.

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  • KJ |  October 3rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm

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    so, I never fail in providing posts of ‘Roma’?

    BTW, I heard Giovinco wants a transfer to Roma and he is even willing to give up his left nut just to play for the shirt. It must be lamagica

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  • alessio |  October 3rd, 2008 at 7:03 pm

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    BTW, I heard Giovinco wants a transfer to Roma and he is even willing to give up his left nut just to play for the shirt. It must be lamagica

    Hahahaha, that shit is great.

    Lamagica, I have no desire to compare the strength of the Romanian league to the Belarussian league. They are both bush leagues. But if you want to discuss it, sure. Juventus were without Trezeguet, Buffon, Legrottaglie, Zanetti, and a fully fit Camoranesi, so yeah, about 1/2 our starting 11 as well. And Cluj drew Chelsea, woohoo. Did you watch the Real Madrid-BATE game? Probably not, but BATE probably deserved a draw, in the Bernabeu. Both are shittyass teams and neither result is great, but yeah I’ll take a 2-2 draw away instead of a humiliating 2-1 loss at home.

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  • adam |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 pm

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    Looking back at the two days our group played, I would say Zenit deserve to be on top. The really should of beaten us and Madrid but were very unlucky.

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  • romabaha |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:49 pm

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    Ale, I watched Madrid and BATE and saying that they deserved a draw is a criminal act to the humanity. Just for the first ten minutes the result should have been 4:0.

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  • alessandro d'agostino |  October 4th, 2008 at 1:14 am

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    huntelaar is fox in box exactly like trezeguet ive seen him play and hes pretty much the sam player! and giovinco was trequartista but can play out on the wing just like cassano could if its 4-2-3-1 then they would all interchange like man utd it would be best attack in the world. juve is weak at the minute

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  • Juve Bob |  October 4th, 2008 at 1:18 am

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    All this talk about BATE being from a “bush league” shows that we are looking down on them. They made it to the CL and that’s to their credit. Being their first time in the CL theyre probably giving it all they’ve got and probably making some sacrifices in their domestic league (I wouldnt know what position they are in). I still belive we could have won the match if Ranieri didn’t use it to experiment with a different formation. But that’s the problem, we underestimated them.

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  • Fozz |  October 4th, 2008 at 8:11 am

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    Ha, ive been reading your comments on “momo sissoko” someone the liverpool fans used to call “nono” sissoko. He was/is a complete laughing stock of english football. Ive lived here all my life and watched the premier league since its formation is 92, and sissoko has been thought of as one of liverpools worst buys ever. ALL he did was foul, get booked, and give away free kicks in dangerous positions. Liverpool fans love “fighters” but nono was just a disaster. When we heard juventus are buying him all us football fans were perplexed, why a great club like juve would buy a joke of a player who just bumbles his way around the pitch giving away freekicks. But the same guy that brought him did ATTEMPT to sell one of, maybe the best, defender in serie a to Man city. nono is a joke. youll never win ANYTHING with him in your 11. forza palermo!

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  • alessio |  October 4th, 2008 at 10:50 am

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    The complete laughingstock of English football? Funny, all of my Liverpool friends were pissed when they sold him. Same with Valencia fans, from what I read. It’s funny that all these Palermo fans have some bizarre irrational hatred for Sissoko, you didn’t see him play against Napoli I guess, MOTM. Or his work in winning the midfield against Milan.

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  • alessio |  October 4th, 2008 at 10:51 am

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    And Alessandro, we already have the best attack on paper, we don’t need to add to it on paper. We need to get our strikers getting results.

    Tomorrow’s gonna be interesting, the injuries just won’t fucking go away.

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  • gianfranco |  October 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am

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    Fozz, by any chance were your LPool friends the same group of fans who were upset when Riise left!? Best move Pool made in a long time…

    Sissoko is a great player and workhorse who was desperartly needed at Juventus. Maybe you should blame Rafa for “nono”…

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  • lamagica |  October 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

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    ah, how convenient. of course you have no desire to discuss how much weaker the belarussian league is, alessio. that would underscore the point of how just as humiliating a result that was (actually more considering how you boast about how ‘mighty’ juve is). yeah, cluj drew chelsea…you know, the cl runner’s up and leading candidate this year. obviously they are no ‘mighty’ juve but they’re not too bad a team.

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  • lamagica |  October 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

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    kj, generally, i would say that was a pretty lame attempt but in your case that was pretty good considering its coming from a guy who is the offspring of siblings.

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  • alessio |  October 4th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

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    ah, how convenient. of course you have no desire to discuss how much weaker the belarussian league is

    Yeah, mostly because I don’t care. My time attention to the Romanian, Belarussian, Polish, and any-other eastern-bloc nations’ leagues lasts all of about 5 seconds. If I really cared about shitty results from teams that are dreadful to watch, I’d be an MLS supporter.

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