

Ale E Ricky, Pre-Atalanta Musings, and Juventus-Milan Recap
By: alessio | December 16th, 2008
If you watched the pregame festivities of Juventus-Milan last night, you probably noticed a significant amount of golden flags being waved. 22,000, to be exact. These were distributed throughout the Olimpico in remembrance of Ale and Ricky, who passed away two years and one day ago. Sempre nei nostri cuori. A few weeks ago there was a dinner in Siena from the foundation; notable attendees were Giovanni Cobolli Gigli, Gigi Buffon, Gianluca Pessotto, Michelangelo Rampulla, Luciano Spaletti, Christian Pasquato and referee Matteo Trefoloni. Here are the other things the Alessio Ferramosca e Riccardo Neri foundation and Juventus are doing to preserve their memory forever.
In these two years the youths from the Berretti team have remained in the hearts of all the Juventus supporters thanks to the many initiatives organized by their families and by Juventus: first the tournaments and the fund-raising soirees, then the naming of field number 8 at the Juventus Center in Vinovo and the mosaic by artist Leonardo Pivi close to the pitch. The last episode, yesterday at the stadium, where the public waved 22,000 golden flags offered by the “Riccardo Neri e Alessio Ferramosca” Association – in front of the parents of the two youths who watched Juventus-Milan beside Giovanni Cobolli Gigli and Jean-Claude Blanc.
After two years the memories of Ale and Ricky is as alive as ever.
Atalanta-Juventus Pre-match Musings:
-Del Piero and Chiellini both called to make it 9/9 points after losing to Inter. They’ve done well to do so thus far, conquering the Stadio Via del Mare and of course beating Milan at the Stadio Olimpico sunday night, spectacularly so. Just a tricky trip to Bergamo left. After a very strong start, Atalanta has slowed a bit but still look very solid, certainly a top-half-of-the-table team.
-Nedved won’t be making the trip, he left the pitch due to a strain in his left thigh. There’s a bit of inflammation and bruising. It’s nothing too serious, but enough that he’s ruled out for the weekend. Camoranesi might play, despite failing a late fitness test against Milan, but I’d like to rest him. Marchionni has been doing well gaining consistency and fitness after a lost year, and Camoranesi said pre-Milan that there was still a bit of pain in his shoulder.
-Christmas break coming up!! Thank god, the team has 3 weeks to rest, maybe play a friendly or two, and get ready for the second half of the season. With the Champions League knockout stages coming up, the Coppa Italia, and of course the Scudetto race, it promises to be a long grueling battle. Our boys will not only get a much needed break, but after the break we can count on Trezeguet, Buffon, Brazzo, Poulsen, and Tiago to be back from their long-term injuries. Nedved and Camoranesi should be fully fit as well. The only long-term absentees are Knezevic and Zebina, expected back in early February or so. And Andrade’s out, but that’s kind of a given.
Milan Thoughts and an mCalcio review:
-The contrasts couldn’t have been any stronger. Milan looked old, tired, and semi-Brazilian. Juventus was relatively young, energetic, and mostly Italian. The average Juventus age was about 26. The average Milan age was about 31. We fielded De Ceglie, Marchisio, Molinaro, Chiellini, all Italians under 25.
-Del Piero was brilliant last night, and really should have gotten on the scoresheet with a smart fake to throw off Ambrosini. Every calcio fan knows stats don’t tell the whole story, and Alex has been evidence of it recently. He’s had a decent scoring record, but he’s constantly been a threat and has been in top form.
-Marchisio and De Ceglie were two of Juve’s best performers on the night, displaying all the potential we knew they had. Many thought Giovinco was Nedved’s heir on the wing, but after seeing PDC’s display, why not him? Marchisio was brilliant with his passing, defending, and dribbling. Also very unlucky not to get on the score sheet after some fine shots.
-We conceded two goals, but only one can really be considered a defensive mistake. Two deflections for Ambrosini’s goal means neither the defense nor Manninger can really be held responsible. Milan had a few good attempts on goal but otherwise our defense (with an average age of 26.5, as opposed to Milans’ 33.5) looked confident and assured.
-Marchionni also deserves praise. He may not have the technical ability Camoranesi has, but he’s starting to display his Parma form. His crosses are dangerous, and I love that he varies them. Sometimes low, sometimes far-post, sometimes cuts back behind the defense. Crossing for the big man in the middle can often become predictable, but our both our wingers kept cutting their defense open.
In general Milan didn’t play bad, as much as Juventus stepped up to the plate for the game. Nearly all our boys played quite well. Emerson, Zambrotta, and Janks were poor, but as a whole Milan played averagely, not atrociously.
Without further ado, I present you a more thorough match-report from mCalcio.
[From mCalcio...]“Anti-Inter”. A big phrase for Italian newspapers this week-end, as indeed Sunday’s Juventus vs. AC Milan presented itself as a revealing showdwown. One to determine the Nerazzurri’s real contender for the Scudetto race, one to decide historical bragging rights between two teams who, in the past two decades, have won more Serie A champions titles than any other team.
Well, at the end of a dramatically intense and exciting match the Bianconeri have claimed those rights, and thus kept within distance of the Inter “enemy”. On Sunday, the Old Lady won thanks to their playing rhythm, the youthful strength of Marchisio, Sissoko and De Ceglie, but also thanks to the exceptional attacking prowess of the Del Piero-Amauri tandem, a tremendous combination of class and power. Milan displayed some pride and quality, but they lacked physical and playing continuity. It was a night in which the absences of Kaká and Gattuso felt very heavy indeed.
Note: I am still without my computer. Right now I can only post through an old Compaq 900 laptop from the pre-war era. For Juve-AC Milan though, some sacrifices have to made.


Tactically, as mentioned, Carlo Ancelotti had a real head-scratcher to deal with in the absences of Kaká and Gattuso. To make matters worse, Mathieu Flamini, the de-facto replacement of the gnarly Italian defensive mid, was also unavailable, which forced the AC Milan coach to put his faith in Emerson. Not exactly an equal-quality exchange, as we will see later. Up front, Seedorf and Ronaldinho supported the lone striker Alexandre Pato. On the other end, Ranieri fielded his usual 4-4-2 wing-attack formation, with Camoranesi (still unavailable) replaced by Marchionni on the right wing, and the in-form pair Del Piero-Amauri in attack.
Right from the get-go (and much to the spectators’ delight), the match was an open contest. Juve set out at a furious pace, characterizing the Bianconeri’s excellent first half; their strong fitness & physical level seriously troubled Milan, who really struggled to keep up. To think that out of the two teams, the one with the mid-week European action had been Juventus (Milan had the week off in the UEFA Cup) seemed almost unreal.
The first goal arrived just 15 minutes into the game: Molinaro made a low pass for Alessandro Del Piero, who was upended inside the box by Jankulovski. While doubts regarding the call were cleared very fast with video replays, it must be said the Juve captain was offside when the pass was made. Regardless, with a powerful kick from the spot Ale scored his 251st goal for Juve, his 5th in Serie A and 10th of the season. 1-0 Juventus.
Milan’s response was immediate. After two big scares for Manninger (an Ambrosini unbelievable point-blank header miss, and a Pirlo venomous free-kick parried by the goalkeeper), the equalizing goal bore the signature of Alexandre Pato, receiving a pinpoint pass from the left bt Ronaldinho. 1-1.
Psychologically, the Bianconeri could have justifiably slowed down, also because in the meantime they had lost Nedved through injury (his replacement, Paolo De Ceglie, proved to be more than adequate). Instead, Juventus threw themselves forward, with powerful figures like Sissoko in the middle and Chiellini at the back. And proceeded to take the lead again. A corner from the left by Del Piero found the noggin of an unmarked Giorgio Chiellini (Ambrosini and Emerson were out catching butterflies in the meantime) and it was 2-0 Juventus.
But the Bianconeri weren’t quite finished yet. De Ceglie took off on the left wing (once again, forgotten by Emerson), sent in a measured cross which Amauri converted into a powerful 3-1 header. Juve was looking to run riot, getting close to a fourth with Marchisio (shot wide after a wild penetration forward).
At half-time and after 47 entertaining minutes the score was 3-1. Milan had not played badly, but certainly paid the price for their slower pace: a clumsy defence (especially on defending set-pieces, but what else is new) and the absences of Gattuso/Flamini/Kaka were sorely felt, while on the other end the Bianconeri’s wing-attacks had been devastating (Marchionni was playing sharply and De Ceglie had immediately made an impact after his entrance).
Thus, Ancelotti had to make some changes for the second half, Milan needed to bolster their attack: out with the almost invisible Emerson, in with Andriy Shevchenko (another phantom of sorts as it would turn out, but I digress). And so, after a lot of huffing and puffing Milan did manage to get one back, when a good passing combination in the center was finalized with a long-range drive by Massimo Ambrosini. The double deflection of Marchionni and Chiellini deceived Manniger, and it was 3-2: game on again. To think that just a few minutes earlier Sissoko, Marchionni and Marchisio had tried very dangerous long range strikes just narrowly missing the target.
Milan fancied their chances now, and attacked en masse. The Rossoneri’s enthusiasm was short-lived however, because on yet another one of his wild runs forward De Ceglie got free of Zambrotta on the left, forcing the Milan right-back to bring him down. Second yellow and early shower for the ex-Juve player.
Everything changed. Juve got their strength and morale back, Ancelotti gambled on playing with a 3-man backline. Amauri punished him. Exchanging passes with Sissoko on the edge of the box, the Brazilian forward got rid of his marker and beat Abbiati with an acrobatic left-footed instep. A stylish goal for a stylish victory, 4-2 Juventus. Before the match ended, the Bianconeri could have even scored two more through Del Piero (hitting the woodwork after a lovely fake) and Iaquinta (blasting wide from 6 yards out). The Inter chase is on.
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JUVENTUS-MILAN 4-2 [Match Highlights] |
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| GOALSCORERS: 16′ Del Piero (J), 31′ Pato (M), 34′ Chiellini (J), 41′, 69′ Amauri (J), 56′ Ambrosini (M). | ||
| JUVENTUS (4-4-2): Manninger – Grygera, Mellberg, Chiellini, Molinaro – Marchionni, Sissoko (88′ C.Zanetti), Marchisio, Nedved (30’ De Ceglie) – Amauri (89′ Iaquinta), Del Piero. (bench: Chimenti, Ariaudo, Salihamidzic, Giovinco). Coach: Ranieri. |
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| MILAN (4-3-2-1): Abbiati – Zambrotta, Maldini, Kaladze, Jankulovski – Emerson (46′ Shevchenko), Pirlo, Ambrosini (73′ Antonini) – Seedorf, Ronaldinho – Pato (75′ F.Inzaghi). (bench: Dida, Senderos, Favalli, Cardacio). Coach: Ancelotti. | ||
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Speaking of which, calciomercato reports De Ceglie is renewing his contract today till 2012-2013, with an increase from 100,000 euros to 600,000. Good. Now we just need to sign Marchisio down.
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molinaro is terrible though. he has one average game in 10
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I’m coming around to Molinaro. Trust me, I didn’t like the guy all last year. Defensively he was mediocre, offensively he was terrible, crosses into the stands, etc. He ran his heart out, but it wasn’t enough. I don’t know what’s triggered in his mind, but he’s been significantly better this season than last, Real Madrid was when I first noticed it. On defense, he’s playing smarter and making better challenges, offensively he’s doing well also. If only he could learn to freaking cross the ball.
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I don’t know about Molinaro, I agree that he is making less mistakes but he just doesn’t contribute anything. We need De Ceglie to start playing left back so he can improve his defensive qualities. Making De Ceglie a permanent LW will be a big mistake as he will be way more effective at LB.
Molinaro, Brazzo, Andrade, Knezevic,and Zebina should all be on their way out this summer, they just aren’t Juventus quality.
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I couldn’t disagree more with just about everything you said, adam. Molinaro does contribute, much in the way Grygera does. Both are defensively adequate, and do provide an outlet offensively. Neither are legendary in their position, but they do their job well.
De Ceglie I think has great potential at left-wing. He played there occasionally with Siena and with the Azzurrini. On that wing he was fantastic against Milan, just brilliant.
Zebina, Knezevic, Andrade, and Brazzo are reserves. Juventus quality? They certainly are, I don’t know why’d you say that.
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Yes i certainly agree with alessio. Molinaro has improved ever since the match that de ceglie started left back. It was molinaro’s pass that led to the penalty against AC Milan. Offensivly if he could cross he would be good! Defensivly he does npw seem pretty sound.
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I said move De Ceglie to left back because Molinaro is classes below him and keep in mind we have a few promising youngsters developing as left wingers, Giovinco, Rossi, and Iago. De Ceglie is a fine left wing but we should see how well of a left back he can be. There are lots and lots of left wingers but not many great left backs.
And Molinaro offensively has 1-2 good crosses every 3 games and while he doesnt give away possession in our own half as much, he still does it on our attacks with his weak crosses. Amauri has proved his worth on more than one occasion and he can do alot better given quality service, service that De Ceglie has delivered and Molinaro can never provide.
The problem with Brazzo is he plays almost every single position and is poor at each one. Ranieri plays him because he can move him around but all he does is run around, he is ineffective and takes away playing time from players that need and deserve it.
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Realistically Rossi and Yago are at least 4 years from being ready for Juventus though. They are both 18, which means 2 more years in the Primavera and at least 1-2 loaned out, at the minimum. De Ceglie can seize that now. Giuseppe Giovinco plays a position more similar to his brother.
Molinaro has proved to be as good at left-back as De Ceglie, at least. The two games PDC played at left-back, he was positionally awkward at moments and sometimes caught out. Molinaro has really upped his game. De Ceglie is a much better outlet out front, as you mentioned, which is why he should start playing more as a left-winger.
I disagree on Brazzo entirely. He is a utility player. He will never be world-class, but that’s not his job. He puts in decent performances when called upon to. Every team needs those players.
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Why is it that players in Italy develop at such later age?
And we have to win the Coppa Italia this season. We have to be the first Italian team with a silver star and most importantly beat Roma to it who are tied with us at 9 Coppas.
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Most players play in youth teams in Italy until they are about 20 or so. I don’t know what is standard in Spain other than that a lot of 17 and 18 year olds get their chance. I think the Italian system is better. Serie A is a lot more tactical than other leagues, which requires a certain degree of maturity. Then look at the longevity of most Italian players. A lot of people made the comparison between Raul and ADP a few months ago (are they done, etc) but Raul is 3 1/2 years younger than ADP. Then you have cases like Dos Santos, who let the fame go to his head. It may be a bit more frustrating but it works.
More importantly though, is we’re assuming these guys are ready for the big time. Last summer a lot of people called for Lanzafame to return to Juve and sub in for Camoranesi. He wasn’t ready at all, and I say this as a fan of Lanza and one who watched a good amount of his play at Bari. Talented, but he’s got a ways to go before he is ready to play consistently for the Vecchia Signora. It’s just a shame he’s not playing much at Palermo.
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I think thats where our management went wrong with Lanza. You shouldn;t ship him out to a top half team, instead it should be a lower table team that. Bigger teams have less to gain out of playing Lanza cause he’s just going to leave and they don’t really need him. While he could be useful in keeping a team safe from relegation.
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That could be why we chose to sell him on co-ownership rather than a straight loan. I’m not sure. I agree though, and he might be headed back to Bari in January. Much as I’d love to see it happen as Bari’s attack has struggled occasionally this season, I’d rather see him go to a lower-table team.
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Really is a shame Empoli went do to serie b, they did pretty good with Marchisio and Giovinco.
In Spain, Madrid and Barca have a B Team that plays in the Spanish second division but can’t get promoted. They play players that are too good for the youth team but not ready for the senior team. Why don’t teams in Italy do that.
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I don’t like that idea because it demeans the competition. You have the Cantera perennially at the top of their division, with no desire for promotion or anything.
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Legro says we don’t need any reinforcements this January and I agree with him 100%. Our team has found it rhythm and I don’t see any quality players available this January.
Come June though we will need some new players.
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It has been reported that Iaquinta and Camoranesi will be out for the match against Atalanta. Both picked up injuries during training.. this would suck if its accurate (reading from goal.com always a toss up lol)
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about Ale & Ricky, I didn’t quite remember the detail of the incident. Can anyone refresh my memory?
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they drowned by accident as they went looking for soccer balls near their practice facility. one tried to save the other and they both died tragically.
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getting back to de ceglie i read a couple of years ago that he could be the heir to pavel so i kept an eye on him and forgot that he could play left wing and maybe he can be his replacement but does he have a good long shot? anyone who replaces pavel must be able to have a go from anywhere
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I’d be fine with swooping for another defender if we can axe Andrade. Enough is enough already.
I haven’t ever seen De Ceglie fire in screamers, but he hasn’t played too much this season anyways. If we decide to give him a run as our starter next season, which I’d like, we should sign someone as backup. Brazzo can play LW, but that’s one of his least favorite positions. We don’t really have depth there.
Speaking of De Ceglie-
At the end of today’s training session, Paolo De Ceglie signed the renewal of his contract pledging himself to Juventus until the 30th of June 2013.
«Today – declared sports director Alessio Secco – we wanted to consolidate the relationship with a player in whom we believe very much. We found a point of agreement somewhere in between the interests of Juventus and the expectations of the player and I think both sides can be satisfied. Paolo can consider himself part of the group of youngsters such as Molinaro, Giovinco, Sissoko and Chiellini with whom Juventus sealed a five year agreement: a strategy that confirms the intention to create a solid base for the future».
Paolo De Ceglie said he is very satisfied with having signed the new contract: «This renewal is an important step for my career and is the prize after years of sacrifice. With this signing I take on new and greater responsibilities towards the board of directors, whom I thank for the faith shown me and the supporters who during this first part of the season welcomed my with affection».
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Didn’t realize this, but with 3 goals conceded, we have the best defensive record in the Champion’s League tied with ManUre. We also have the 2nd best defensive record in the league.
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Yeah i duuno wat the fuss is with us and defenders, we have again been linked with agger and gallas. Which i dont like. We should also recall criscto next year he has been showing some good signs with Genoa this year. We could do with another defender but a back up DC, as i want criscto and chellini to be our future central defenders!
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criscito and chiellini cant both play at cb they are both left footed
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So wat, there foot dosent matter!?!?! That isint an important reason. left footers play on the right wing eg Alessandro rosina etc they play there as a natural position. There foot isint a problem!
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Seeing alessio actually defend Molinaro now makes me all warm inside.
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