A Gloomy Christmas

By: agiamba | December 22nd, 2009
   

The past few days have been full of contemplation for me, as I mentioned, my birthday was this Sunday, and despite going out and having a good time with close friends, such as Señor Cuervo, I found myself thinking about Juve a lot. The curse of the sports fan, regardless of what happens, we are tied to our team for better or worse. After the jump, my analysis of the teams problems.

Remember the “crisis” in October? It was when things came unglued a bit, though I think you’d all agree that it was not a crisis. The problem back then was our inability to score, our forwards were complete shit, though our defense was solid. The current crisis, and I’m not using apostropheses because it legitimately is one, is one where the defense is as leaky as a New Orleans levee. Though the focus of our disastrous performance has changed, both largely have roots in the one area of the team that we haven’t been able to figure out since Serie B: the midfield.

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I’d like to think of myself as a fairly analytical fan, one that enjoys tactics and discussing the different individual qualities between players. This summer, I pleaded via with Alessio Secco to sign Gaetano D’Agostino. If you recall Lippi’s Juve sides, it is not necessary for a 4-3-1-2 to have a regista in the squad, though he had some world class fullbacks, a tighter defense, and perhaps critically, at least four brilliant box-to-box central midfielders. Without these elements, a regista becomes so much more fundamental to the squad, and believe me when I say this, I take no pleasure in saying “I told you so” about the following segments I posted in the summer.

Why We Need D’Agostino: Gaetano would add a dimension to our team that has been missing since our promotion back from Serie A, and that, quite simply, is a talented passer in midfield. Sissoko is certainly not, and Marchisio and Zanetti are decent passers but we have not had a maestro in midfield. Pre-Serie B oftentimes we didn’t need one, with our wingers still young and brilliant forwards (we still have them), the central-midfield could be largely ballwinners. With a likely switch to a 4-3-1-2 on the cards, we need someone in midfield who can get the ball up to the forwards and create spaces with his vision. We can’t rely on a trequartista always, ignoring Diego’s possibility of flopping or the inevitable spell of poor form, if he is marked heavily in a game that would destroy our offense and we’d have to resort to long balls or (gasp), our fullbacks. You could easily see it with Milan, if a team marked Kaka well, (with Pirlo in mediocre form or injured) the entire team was bogged down. He would fit in very well in a 3-man midfield, one with a center-mid, a ball winner, and a regista. Sissoko-D’Agostino-Marchisio, is how I imagine it. That sounds disgustingly good.

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The Importance of Cristiano Zanetti: We didn’t sign D’Agostino, and much as I’d like to have seen him in Turin, this post is not about rueing passing him up as much as failing to have a passer in the team. A few weeks later, shortly before being sold to Fiorentina for peanuts, I stated Cristiano Zanetti would be fundamental to our squad this season.

Zanetti was that defensive-midfielder that Ranieri liked, but more importantly he had excellent passing skills and really turned out to be an excellent, if improvised regista. He controlled the midfield excellently, if you look at the Del Piero capocannoniere video, there’s at least 4-5 assists directly from Zanetti where he excellently played a through ball or a longball perfectly to Del Piero. [...] We missed his controlling influence and his passing badly last season, a lost season for him due to repeated thigh strains. The midfielders who took his place, Marchisio and Sissoko had good seasons respectively but neither provided the passing that was so desperately needed [...] One year later, he’s a little bit older and while he may not be a starter or in the form he was in the return to Serie A, Cristiano Zanetti will be an important part of our midfield if we plan to win any silverware.

Selling Zanetti; a Colossal Own Goal: When we decided to sell Cristiano Zanetti, fuming, I savaged Secco in a brief post. I stated that with Melo and Zanetti, our slim Scudetto hopes were nonexistent.

I don’t think [my gloom about the Scudetto being an overreaction] so. Last season our midfield was terrible, because no one can pass the goddamn ball. So instead of going for a regista, we go for an overrated midfielder and sell off the only player who can actually complete a pass. This season is going to be 40% possession and plenty of turnover [...] Diego is not one [a regista], and Melo is not the solution, I was unimpressed with him last year at Fiorentina and I continue to be so. He’s a decent center-mid but he is not a passer. As I have said time and time again, our midfield has been crying out for one since Serie B. Zanetti plugged the whole for a while.

And then followed up with this- #3- Who is going to be passing the ball in midfield? It’s no secret Ferrara preferred D’Agostino over Melo, and now it’s obvious. I was opposed to Felipe Melo’s signing, very much so, and it had less to do with his character (which I didn’t/don’t like) and more the fact that as we can see, we needed a different kind of midfielder. Regarding the above question, Diego began drifting deeper before Ferrara reprimanded him, and since, Felipe Melo has attempted to be the regista, to disasterous effect. As Prandelli stated, he’s simply not that kind of player. In the last three years, Secco needed to sign a regista; Tiago turned out to be a bust, thanks to Ranieri, we opted for Poulsen over Xabi Alonso, and then thanks to Secco/Pozzo we signed Melo over D’Agostino. It’s still gone wanting, and Cristiano Zanetti is having a very solid season back home in Florence.

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I will freely admit I was fooled by the positive start to the season, I thought Felipe Melo and Diego had immediately integrated themselves to the team, and the grit and power shown in the opening games against Chievo, Roma, and Lazio had me surprised. Sadly, I look at my words from the summer and realize how accurate I was. Felipe Melo is not just failing at being a regista, he is also failing at playing mediano too. Against Bayern, I was infuriated at how many shots we allowed on goal just outside of the 18′, Schweinsteiger himself had 4-5 at least. I don’t know how to fix this, Ferrara has personally been coaching him on staying back and protecting the defense, as you might remember from when he coached him against dribbling out of defense. His rut, with Sissoko out, is killing us.

So what do we do? Unfortunately, due to the large expenditures on Melo and Diego, combined with the early Champion’s League exit, there is not a lot of money in the bank. D’Agostino is unlikely, though Udinese is having a poor season and it seems their refusal to sell him to Juve has led to a breakdown in their relationship, and he’s been linked to Napoli and Palermo. It brings me to a certain Argentine that is sitting outside of Rome, waiting to be able to play, Cristian Ledesma. As I stated in my post on D’Agostino, I am not convinced of Ledesma’s ability to play at the highest level, and I’m still not.. And he’s coming off of an extended summer vacation, but his pluses would be he’d come extremely cheap, and well, he’s a regista. I have mixed feelings on the subject, but if Sissoko is going to the African Cup of Nations, it becomes more important. Alternatives include Pirlo-izing Giovinco or Diego, both of which I’m not too keen on, or regista-ing Tiago. That one is a possibility, Tiago is a decent passer of the ball but not much else. I would like to see him experimented with playing deep.

Why are we conceding too much? The other part of our current crisis is how our defense has come undone. This is barely Ferrara’s fault, yes, he should be organizing the defense but our defense has two fundamental problems; first, the midfield is general cow shit, and second, the players individually are less than spectacular. The first I have already addressed, the second I will now.

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Several of us here thought Cannavaro was past it at Real Madrid, and like Diego and Melo, he has really come back to earth after a solid start. He has shown it in the last few weeks, making stupid challenges, failing to organize the defense, and showing his age by being a half-step behind the other teams strikers. Legrottaglie hasn’t been much better, but it’s not a big surprise to anyone as he tends to play well when he’s next to a better defender. If you ask me, though, our worst defender has been Grosso, who is confirming his status as the Italian Lucas Podolski. He leaves far too many gaps in the back, his defending when back is really unimpressive, and his contributions up top, though a significant improvement on Molinaro, do not outweigh the fact that he adds NOTHING to the defense. In interest of full disclosure, while I was opposed to signing Felipe Melo and wanted Zanetti/D’Agostino at Juve, I was very much in favor of Grosso’s signing, I thought we had finally signed a great left-back.

As you all know, I am not a fan of Cannavaro, and I am a fan of Legrottaglie, so all biases are out on the table before I say this; Legro has definitely been better in the last month than Cannavaro. Both have looked slow, but Cannavaro has looked extremely sloppy and worse, tactically naive. Legrottaglie has made stupid fouls, but he always has, but both in the Bayern game and recent weeks, there have been several brilliant last-second interventions he’s made that have covered Cannavaro’s ass. Has he been a giant? Hell no. But I don’t think he’s played that bad…particularly when Cannavaro, not him, is responsible for marshalling the defense. I think his positives are forgotten because of the defenses general shittiness. But can you name an incident where he was clearly at fault for the goal? I definitely can for Cannavaro…Grosso too.

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Secco needs to sign a Champion Defender (other than Caceres) If anything shows the craziness of the mercato, it’s our defense. Grosso and Cannavaro haven’t been that great, but considering their cost, decent. Instead, a young Uruguayan who barely played last season has been our second best defender! I have been complaining about Secco’s unwillingness since Andrade to spend on defense. Caceres, Cannavaro, Grosso came for about 3mil. The year before, Mellberg and he-who-shall-not-be-named came for free and De Ceglie was signed on co-ownership for peanuts. The year we returned to Serie A, we signed Molinaro for peanuts, Salihamidzic and Grygera on free transfers, and Andrade. In the last 3 years, we’ve signed craploads of players, but never a champion. I addressed that this summer when I played Secco, I signed Balzaretti, Cassani, and Ranocchia. (Before Grosso/Caceres arrived) Given these three players performances this season, I think they would be have been great additions to our club.

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Can Ferrara do better? Yes, no doubt. I support him, but he deserves criticism where criticism is warranted. But Grosso and Cannavaro are playing average, and I think there’s plenty of evidence it is less to do with him and more to do with their age. Felipe Melo is a decent player, though he’s not what we needed, and thus, the midfield and defense suffer. Ranieri echoed this criticism by suggesting that if he was in Ferrara’s position, he would probably be having the same kind of crisis, though it is astounding that somehow despite the last month being an utter turd, we are still in 3rd place and only 9 points behind Inter.


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  • mufid
    with all the midfielders we have, buying another one is going to make juve look like inter which is not a good sign for the club( no club wants to be resembled to inter).
    the trick is being able to do with what we have and getting the best out of each player and that's one of a great coach definition.
  • Ivo
    On my only week of vacation for this year I tried distancing myself as far as I could from Juve and its troubles, but as you all know that cannot last too long for a Juve fan. So here I am again, reading all your guyses good posts and feeling that huge ball of "oh shit" in my stomach.

    Alessio, thanks for taking the time to write all that. Your analysis of the midfield is very much to the point, and the defense is just like you described it too.

    Marco P. however, god bless your soul, said everything I have been thinking lately. Since we cannot make any huge changes due to the financial constraint, I think a new manager is in order ASAP. It is the only thing we can do, and we can all agree that Ciro has underperformed.

    All I want for Christmas is a new manager (but not just anyone, a fucking good one!) and to see la formica atomica play 70 minutes a game with a great, reJUVEnating effect. I will always wear the Juve jersey on gameday, but I want to start feeling the pride of wearing it again. It feels like it has been forever since I had that feeling.

    P.S. 3-man defense is ludicrous imo. Give full exclusivity of the right hand side to Caceres for the rest of the year, I think more good than bad can come from it. Grosso, he cannot learn to defend at this age, but he needs to improve his contribution upfront. Just to balance his play a bit more.

    Bottom line is, we cannot get a regista, or a playmaking forward, or a class central defender in the winter. What we can get, is a coach with authority and tactical brilliance, to maximize everyone's limited skill ability, or just tap into Giovinco's a little bit.

    Happy Holidays to all of you. Hope you can all spend it with your families. Peace
  • Happy holidays, everyone.
  • Robee
    Milan wants Astori to (re)join them this winter and Cagliari would want to hire Ariaudo in return... Damn, I hope Milan buys Astori :)
  • Robee
    I think Marco's crzay little idea to playe with 3 defenders in the 3-5-2 is not that crazy at all.

    We can play several defensive systems, even putting Ariaudo in on the RCB if Legro dissapoints... But preferably play Legrottaglie - Cannavaro - Chiellini.

    With that in mind, you can form you midfield in different organisations... Either play it 3-2, which could make a great partnership between Giovinco and Diego upfront with 3 defensive midfielders.

    If you want some more strentgh on the wings you can place De Ceglie/Giovinco and Caceres/Camoranesi (whether you want it defensive or offensive) next to two central defenders, for instance Marchisio-Melo.

    And upfront simply Diego supporting Trezeguet-Giovinco/Iaquinta...

    My only concern would be the 3-mans defence since that looks pretty shaky, but it's almost a certainty however you play this formation, it would mean a more offensive and dangerous Juve. Diego would be able to stay upfront and do what he does best.

    But who are we kidding, it'll just be another 4-3-1-2...
  • Juergen
    Merry Christmas, Juventini! Better times lie ahead of us...somewhere.
  • Sam
    Yeha bettega is still an awsome scout in FM 10, but yeha he definatly knows what he is doing he is supposedly ment to be helping Secco with hte transfers and doing a range of other things, but i think its a great step froward he is a wise old head something we need going forward.
  • j
    nice posts, anyway what does bettega brings to juve? i only know he's a juve legend and has good scouting stats in FM (the older versions). is he a great evaluator of talent in real life? well, we really need it now, given the number of busts we got for the past few years
  • vialli
    4-3-1-2 is the way.
    I think our 3 midfield should act as a foundation for our attack and defence. Their jobs are breaking down opposition attack and supporting attack. Let our attack focused on Diego or our fullback. For that, our midfield should be tough and powerful. Which we already have 4 players for it (Marchisio, Sissoko, Melo, Poulsen). Camo would be better to play as Diego backup since he prefers to go forward more.
  • Sam
    There are report Cigarini is unhappy ive been a fan of this kid since his parma days he is a great passer of the ball and could be a great regita.
  • Sofia
    i think that the team as a whole really needs to step up their game because now it is just sad. i meant really, losing to bari and the like has been more than a tad embarrassing.
    I also can't believe we are still in 3rd place! It amazes me that we can be this horrible right now and still be a title challenger. This January transfer window needs to mark some changes in our team (i.e. selling melo). Bringing back Bettega seems to be a step in the right direction, I hope. It will be interesting to see how much longer Secco lasts now that Bettega is back.
  • alessio wrote:
    Kinda like we did to Legrottaglie?

    Heh. Good point. :) Except the situation was slightly different.

    Legro as I stated, was (and still is) a decent player who formed a great partnership with Chiellini, but did not really stand out on his own. With Cannavaro, not only did we have the opportunity to sign a WC2006 World Champion (which we hoped could return to those levels; emphasis on hoped), but we'd also have the potential to form "Chiellini-Cannavaro", the Lippi-approved Azzurri center-D starting line-up. Plus Canna was free (budget-wise really hard to resist), so overall and at least *on paper*, signing him back was the perfect deal (well, except for the moral outrage it caused to some fans). In terms of player importance therefore, the slap in the face was minimal.

    Now, if we were to sign yet another new center-back, the message would be all-too clear to interpret.

    By the way alessio, two years ago did you ever think you'd be saying the words "Poulsen needs to play more"? The worst thing is I probably agree with you. How the mighty have fallen...

    Roberto, to bounce on your tactical suggestion why not go crazy all the way and really try a 3-man backline? We'd have Chiellini-Cannavaro-Legrottaglie at the back, Sissoko-Melo DMs, Grosso/Camoranesi on the wings, Diego trequartista, and 2 strikers up front. Given the situation we are in now, I say why not?

    On the upside Bettega is a step in the right direction. According to the Italian press, he'll be vice-direttore generale (i.e. one step below Jean-Claude Blanc, who strongly wanted his return) and together with Alessio Secco will be there to provide a link between upper management and Ciro Ferrara. Together with the peace made between Andrea Agnelli and John Elkann, Juve's powers that be are finally getting some sense.
  • agiamba
    Awesome. I don't know why people hate Blanc, he's not a genius leader, but he's done well financially and provided everything he can to Secco. And this is a show of humility from the management, admitting they were wrong to let him go in '06 as a director and '07 as a transfer consultant.

    Bentornato Bettega!!
  • al
    Awesome, Alessio and Marco. And for others, interesting discussion.

    A step to the better future, I think: Bettega is officially announced as our new vice-Director General of the club.
    http://football-italia.net/dec...
  • Robee
    "There’s no doubt in my mind I’d rather see him over Felipe Melo right now, who should go take a vacation to Brazil, relax on the beach, and try and find the old Amauri."

    Really laughing my ass off, unexpected :p
  • Robee
    Nice addition Marco P. and I agree on most of your points, but if nothing is going to happen (except for maybe a new coach), we need to wonder ourselves what was different in the beginning of the season and why all those problems have grown over our heads.

    The first games we didn't have problems scoring goals, with Iaquinta missing almost 9/10 but still at the cannon every game. If you're 1-0 up, it's easy to play dominant. Plus the moral was and stayed high. That's the job of the strikers (who dissapointed me lately) and the coach.

    Anyways we lost our confidence and some deadly touches in front of goal with Iaquinta... Amauri was complaining, losing his game and desperate to get the ball upfront (because the rest of our midfield lacked the inventiveness or speed) Diego started tracking back: which made us lose our grip on midfield...
    Camo and Marchisio starting going forward more often to compensate (even our fullbacks did), and therefore Melo got totally overwhelmed...

    Our defence got quite a good hold at first, but with Chiellini out, it crumbled completely (plus we had every bit of bad luck you can imagine).

    I said it before: the solution is easy to me, the 4-2-3-1 with Marchisio/Melo/Sissoko was really solid in my eyes but we need Camo to be fit, so we need another solution soon. (Even if we could just buy a winger)

    The 4-3-2-1 with Diego AND Giovinco is the one formation I'd like to see. Diego nearly was a second striker in Werder and with Marchisio, Melo (renewed) and Poulsen supporting them, he should be able to play higher.

    That said: We are recuperating Chiellini, which is the most important player in our team. And we'll have some firing power upfront back with Iaquinta. I'm not a fan of him, but he is the only striker who can make a hard time for the opposition the entire time PLUS score goals. He is hardly ever mentioned, but his absence hurts us.

    The spirit of that duo should work miracles as well. I'm still confident towards next year and if the players are too, we can come back.
  • Marco, just send an email [juventus@theoffside.com] and alessio or I will post something like that the next time you want to wanna drop some knowledge.

    That goes for everyone on this board as well, you guys know that.

    With that said, I don't know what else can be. Personally, the best thing that can happen for Melo is the return of Sissoko alongside him, possibly surrounding the guy in a 3-4-1-2 formation.
  • agiamba
    Robee is right on he-who-shall-not-be-named..one of the worst transfers I've ever seen Juve make. Thank God we took him on loan. As for the Melo discussion, sure, Marchisio and Camoranesi are there to help, but fundamentally, Melo is there to protect the outside of the 18. Against Bayern, and you could rewatch it if you're a masochist, he left Schweinsteiger all the space in the world at the top of the box. Maybe it's confidence issues, but right now for me he is no doubt failing as a mediano.

    I think ricci is also right, and God save us, but Poulsen needs to play more. His range of passing isn't bad, and while he doesn't break up tackles as spectacularly as Sissoko, he's had quite a few good games in the last few months where he did his job and pulled a few strings. There's no doubt in my mind I'd rather see him over Felipe Melo right now, who should go take a vacation to Brazil, relax on the beach, and try and find the old Amauri. As for the strikers and the coach, I think Marco hit the nail on the issue with the forwards, in that we have 1 that can score.

    As for Ciro, I might go into this more depth but here's my main problems with him- set pieces, Giovinco, De Ceglie, and why the fuck Amauri is still getting any sort of playing time.
  • agiamba
    Excellent post, Marco. Excellent. Having re-read my post, I think what I am arguing is that the seeds for this crisis where there for everyone to read in the summer, and that our positive start was an aberration. We are going to have work very hard to get back to that point, for some (the defenders) I don't think it'll happen.

    Cannavaro “f… you Fabio, you suck”.

    Kinda like we did to Legrottaglie?

    As for resolving the problem, I think it's something that will have to wait for the summer. As I said, we don't really have anymore money and star defenders like Ranocchia will not leave their team mid-term. Ledesma would be an option for January though, should Lazio choose to sell. Outside of that, I don't know what we do. Regarding the "passer" in midfield, I think regista-ing Tiago is the answer, albeit not the best one.

    While that may be true, I think it’s unfair to say that without a player like that Juve is unable to function.

    I agree, and you'll note above I acknowledged Lippi's all-conquering side as one that didn't need a regista. But that was different, we had a vastly superior defense, a legendary player like Zidane in great form, and deadly strikers. And that's not even touching the midfield, where our box-to-box CMs ran long and hard. Could any one of our current midfielders get into a line of Conte-Davids-Tacchinardi? How about replacing Deschamps or Di Livio? I'm sorry, but this midfield is the Walmart Blue-light special suit compared to the Armani of old. We don't need a regista to function, but I think it would help enormously.
  • Good analysis alessio. I'm particularly impressed with the fact that despite our season's currently gone to shit, you're still willing to sit down and analyze the problems. Me these days, I want to be thinking about anything but Juve. Yesterday someone asked who I'd want as coach. I shrugged and ignored the question. He asked again. I proceeded to plant my fist in his face (ok not really, but I wanted to).

    That said, I think you have some very good points, and your take on our midfield-passing problem is interesting. I'll take on your lead and ponder the events of the last 4 months (*WARNING: LONG COMMENT*).

    The MIDFIELD
    I'll begin by stating the obvious: it's not working. Every Juventino who has watched our games this past month knows who the problem is, and alessio re-stated it for continuity. Felipe Melo, currently, is *embarassing* (there are no other words for it). Forget regista, right now this guy is unable to play decently even as a DM. Diego is dishing assists every now & then but most of the time he's just carrying the ball sideways, and not much else. It seems like he's lost, not knowing what to do: looking for a pass that only materializes half the time. Tiago's not quite back to his embarassing self but only a few matches short. Simply put, without Sissoko our midfield completely lacks personality.

    Is passing the problem? Your take alessio, is that we're missing the assistman capabilities of someone like C.Zanetti, who will hang in front of the D-Line à la Pirlo and make long balls forward for ADP & Co. While that may be true, I think it's unfair to say that without a player like that Juve is unable to function. Firstly we must remember that with Ranieri, we were playing 4-4-2 wing-attack: most of our assists came from the wings (aka Nedved & Camoranesi) and while Zanetti added his fair share, he wasn't in any way our sole provider. Secondly, not every team can afford to have a Pirlo in midfield, and not every team needs one to function. Instead, our chances must be created through collective teamwork, for instance (in the matches were our plays really "clicked") the incursions forward of Camoranesi/Marchisio and Diego's ability at penetration.

    So, could signing D'Agostino have made a difference? Probably, but it'd have been regarding our *PLAYING STYLE*. Simply put, Juve needs to find a way to function without a D-Line regista (and did so admirably in some games).

    The DEFENSE
    Here, quite hard not to agree with alessio. Our last few matches, the word "abysmal" does not even begin to describe it.

    Cannavaro was great the first few games, he's turned Galactico-embarassing again: insecure, having inexplicable positioning-lapses, and almost seeming just downright lazy in certain challenges. I'll agree also on Legrottaglie: with a superior defender by his side Legro's tranquility makes the Juve back-line all the more stronger. Our nº33 isn't the kind of guy to shine through by his own means, but he'll do his job (and more) with the right people around him. Simply put: we're missing the hell out of Chiellini here, but when Keyser Giorgio isn't around someone cruelly needs to step up.

    Regarding Grosso, again gotta agree with what's been said. He adds great offensive potential forward (notice I wrote potential), but his contributions defensively are virtually inexistent. Unfortunately that's not something he's going to learn at 32+ years of age. Don't even get me started on the whole does-great-for-Azzurri-unable-to-do-the-same-for-his-club debate, we'd be here till sundown. (By the way alessio, do I detect a slight nostalgia for Molinaro in your heart?)


    The FORWARDS
    Alessio, this is one topic which you forgot to tackle (maybe at this point the too many tears clouded your vision). Alas, in a team where nothing is working talking about the guys up top, constantly failing to put it in, is a must.

    Firstly, I'll refrain from the usual "Thank God for Trezeguet" line. Don't get me wrong: I love the fact our tall Froggie (Argie-Froggie) decided to stick around this Summer; in terms of Juve "old guard" (ADP excluded) it doesn't get any better than him, and he is a player which reminds me of Juve's "golden years" back when Serie A was still the best league in the world. That said, Trezeguet is only human. He'll put it in when given the chance 80% of the time: the other 20% will frustrate the hell out of you (*cough* Catania *cough*). Secondly, Trez can only do magic with what he's given: right now based on our midfield situation, that means he's given nothing. Guy can only do so much.

    So, for the big fans of "pointing the finger", the obvious culprit here is a certain Amauri Carvalho de Oliveira. A striker whose arrival (in the first part of 2008-09) seemed like the second coming of Jesus, and who in the span of a year, quite litterally managed to turn from hero to zero. Right now forget about scoring goals, he's unable even to make a difference assist-wise anymore. The problem isn't his work rate. It's his touches, his movements, his runs calling for the pass. Simply put (and much like the rest of the team), he's completely uninspired. As for ADP, he has been largely under-utilized until now. Based on his fitness problems I'll refrain from passing a judgment (but I will make a comment which, alas, pains me: I doubt we'll see ADP in South Africa this Summer).

    Here, the all-too-obvious conclusion is that we're cruelly missing the grinta of Vincenzo Iaquinta (no pun intended).


    And lastly...oh yes... the COACH
    We all knew this was coming, right?

    Alessio keeps saying that while Ciro Ferrara can be criticized, ultimately our problems aren't majorly his fault. While this view can be defended using many different arguments (bad Summer mercato, poor player performance, etc.), I will argue the contrary. Don't get me wrong: as a player and as a person, I love Ferrara. He's Neapolitan (I'm from Salerno), he's a great guy (he's got that cheerfulness that characterizes all people from Southern Italy(, and he was a great defender back in his days. Unfortunately, I think that based on his first trimester in charge of Juve, Ferrara's inexperience as a manager is crucially damaging our team. Let me elaborate.

    When players are in a slump, and I mean a collective slump like Juve are in now, it's the manager's job to find a way to end it. Be it by using the right words to remotivate everyone, or by radically changing tactics and/or team hierarchies. Unfortunately it seems like Ferrara has failed in both. His trial with the 4-2-3-1 formation (Roma-style) was a disaster, and none of the players whose performance progressively dropped (Canna, Melo, Amauri) etc. showed any sign of improvement since.

    Simply put and though I want him to succeed (I'm sure I'm not the only one), in my opinion Ferrara lacks the experience & ability to jumpstart the team in a moment of crisis, something which usually comes after many years spent in the dugout.

    Clearly, he is also being handicapped by the very heavy responsibility that's been put on his shoulders: anyone taking charge at Juve is expected to win, and expected to win immediately. One could draw a parallel with Pep Guardiola (also a young coach put in charge of an European giant), but the comparison doesn't hold for very long. A team with the technical depth of Barcelona will always be able to find a way to compensate: if one of their players has a bad run of form, the other 10 will be more than sufficient to step up (something which alas, definitely can't be said with our squad depth).


    The Conclusion... and Solution(s)?

    All this talk is nice & well, but can anything be done? One is often quick on the draw to criticize, but then fails to offer adequate alternatives.

    In our case, it's very hard to say. Alessio suggested buying a star center-back over the Winter break. Possibly. That would also pretty much be a big slap in the face for our current starters, and saying to Cannavaro "f... you Fabio, you suck". Not likely to happen, that's not Juve style. Same be said for our midfield: it's be practically admitting the 50 million we spent on Melo/Diego was wasted money. This, and the declarations by our current management in mind, I doubt any player reinforcements will come in January.

    So what's the solution? Simply put, we need to find a way to make our current players perform. For those criticizing Felipe Melo & Diego these days (myself included, top of the list), I'll take you back to a certain game at the end of August. In that game, we had the PERFECT example of everything that could be at Juventus: a star performance by Diego, Melo taking the role of super-Sissoko surrogate, and our ability to literally take a team like Roma to school. So achieving this result isn't fantacalcio, it's something very much in the realm of possibilities.

    However, I don't think we can achieve it under our current management. Sorry Ciro, but you gotta go. (happy holidays everyone by the way! Instead of turkey, won't you have goose this year? *hint hint juve management*).
  • It's Almiron, not Knezevic. Although you could make the argument.
  • Robee
    He'll go to inter, Sam.
  • Sam
    http://www.goal.com/en/news/11...

    We should really chase him he is perfect as a forward someone who is ideal. He's a quick, smart and creative striker someone to complement Diego with smart runs etc, not static forwards.
  • j
    the team is in crisis, this break come just at the right time, but i'm not optimistic. there is too many "what if?", will ferrara actually be leaading juventus at the top of the table if we have made the right signings? or is he just plain tactically naive, i guess the only people we can blame is the management.
  • Thank you Robee :)

    And Melo is a champion, just like Diego. And they are going to prove it soon, once the team gets some solid technical direction.
  • Joe
    Great post Alessio. Couldn't agree more.
  • Robee
    And Papai wins the main prize for this right answer ;).

    Thanks for the nice post alessio, but I do want to add a few thoughts of my own.

    First I think Cannavaro was like complete shit, but still better than Legrottaglie, who seems even slower on the pitch, and hasn't been able to make so many mistakes, just because of the lack of playing time.

    Second I agree on giving Ferrara confidence, but I think you're too kind on him. The amount of goals we have allowed on dead ball situations or the fact he hasn't tried ANYTHING near a regista... And then my main concern: not playing Giovinco while it's pretty fucking obvious the boy was magic when he came in about 2 weeks ago, or not playing De Ceglie and even Ariaudo... Those are all big mistakes IMO.
    He just doesn't have the balls, if you ask me... He plays the routine over and over again, with Amauri, Cannvaro, etc. and every week it fails... Then drop it, please...

    Next a piece that really hits my chest:
    "Felipe Melo is not just failing at being a regista, he is also failing at playing mediano too. Against Bayern, I was infuriated at how many shots we allowed on goal just outside of the 18′, Schweinsteiger himself had 4-5 at least."

    Well I think this is quite easy to explain... We've always played with at least 2 defensive midfielders in the center. But because we are lacking attacking possibilities now, for instance Camoranesi and Marchisio are constantly attacking over the flanks, which leaves Melo alone in the center.
    I'd ask every one to try and play this position (on your level) when you're having all-offensive players in midfield, really... Everything is looking like it's your fault, while it's complete nonsens.

    I really don't agree with Melo being the main reason for our not-performing. He's just been outnumbered and overworked almost every game in midfield. It comes as no surprise that his best games were the ones where Sissoko featured as well. For instance against Fiorentina...
  • ooBia
    way off topic, i just wanted to share this with everyone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
  • is it Knezevic???
  • ricci
    Until Juve sign a regista Ferrara needs to play Poulsen as the "water-carrier" in midfield. His passing is actually pretty decent, and he isn't a guy who is gonna get around midfield and disrupt every play anyway. He will be more of a Michael Carrick type player, someone who can make the simple pass and float in the brilliant long ball once in a while.

    Just bench Melo, guy has gone from decent to shit in a matter of weeks. He is so nervous on the ball and just makes terrible decisions.
  • Sam
    "Alternatives include Pirlo-izing Giovinco or Diego"

    Its never going to happen, Diego will forever be trequartista Diego and Giovinco well he is too weak small, and isint good enough defensively to be a regista unfortunately.

    Felipe Melo i am sure will be worth it later, and i am sure he will be an absolute beast once Sissoko comes back (remember the Sampdoria game). Its a little like Gilberto Silva with Brazil, he hangs back while Melo has a bit more freedom of getting forward.

    Grosso yes he has been terrible, i dont see why when we dont play Grosso we play Molinaro, he isint any young or any good. De Ceglie on the other hand should be playing there and slowing being moulded into a left back.

    legro is a hack! he is as bad if not worse than canna! he is back to the crappy old hiself all that praying hasnt done uch.

    Ciro well im sure and i hope he can do better... but something that drives me nuts that he isInt learning from his mistakes, WHY OH WHY DOES HE KEEP PLAYING AMAURI DESPIT THE FACT EVERYONE KNOWS HE IS A PILE OF GARBAGE?
  • ooBia
    excellent post alessio, thanks.
    the only thing i have against ferrara is not developing Gio and/or PDC, and still putting trust in the likes of tiago and molinaro.

    happy holidays everyone :)
  • ned lowe
    brilliant article alessio...n i'd say u r spot-on with ur observations...we had a template of how we wanted the team 2 play,but we failed to get the players to implement that template...
    seeing how there is'nt likely to be a lot of $$$ to throw around in the winter,if we had to make just bone signing who would u suggest?
  • agiamba
    Speaking of the holidays, when I came home from college, my mom already had 3 panettoni in the cabinet. :-) Hope everyone elses Christmas-or-whatever-you-celebrate is going not like Juve.
  • agiamba
    Papai, I'll give you a hint. We battled a current-Serie B team for his signature, and he is now fighting relegation once again.

    Grosso has been a welcome relief, but his defending really has to be polished. I don't feel too secure with him on the left flank.

    Ultimately, I think the debate over the problems is either it's Ferrara failing tactically, or the players gone to shit. I tend to agree with the latter...just like I can't blame Ferrara for Amauri being unable to tap-in a simple goal, it's hard for me to criticize him for Grosso being Grosso, and Cannavaro looking like the player he's been for the last 3 years.
  • well said
  • Thanks alessio, very nice article, though didnt catch the he-who-shall-not be named reference.

    After molinaro, Grosso had been a very welcome relief indeed. However, i thought that De Ceglie could have been given more chances. Its baffling how Gio and De ceglie have been completely frozen out of the squad.

    Season's greetings to all the ragazzi!
  • Great post, Alessio. I agree with everything. I too think people are being way too harsh on Ferrara. Some people are blaming him for everything and ignore all the other problems. I hope people read this and understand a little bit better what the real problems are.
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