Officially Official: Camoranesi and Z3BINA have left the building

with the players we have, i think a 4-3-3 is the best option ATM.

4-3-3?

ADP/Iaquinta -- Amauri/Quags -- Krasic/Martinez
Marchisio/Sissoko -- Aquilani/?? -- Melo/??
PDC/Traore -- Chiellini/Legrottaglie -- Bonucci/Rinaudo -- Motta/Grygera
Buffon/Storari

Aquilani plays AM with two holdings Melo and Marchisio/Sissoko... I don't know... Depends a lot on a healthy Aqua... We surely miss Diego and Gio if we use this formation.

The mercato wasnt that bad. (many will disagree but this is my opinion) We only lost 5 million on diego becoz the 24.5 million included 2 million which we will pay if he stays with us n we will get 2.5 million if wolfsburg qualify. (http://www.football-italia.net.... The price for a non versatile trequarista (one who can only play CAM) is low. Diego's understudy ozil had a great season n a great world cup n has a better eye for goal n younger was sold for 12 mil. Compared to deigo who is older n floped a season i think a 5+mil loss is a good sale. He wouldnot have worked as a ss, dont give me the shit that he was good this preseason. That was the exact same thing as last season good in preseason but we all know wat happen. Its good beppe sold him. Abt martinez a guy who is proven in seria A n very versatile (can play on wings , ss n striker) 12 mil is a reasonable deal. Once he is fit u will realize how good he is. Abt trez he left becoz GDN couldnt ensure he will get regular playing time thats y the club respected his decision n is helping him by paying almost all of his wages (a fine way to treat a legend IMO). Only thing disappointing is the co-owned ekdal n couldnt get another striker. I m sad that giovinco left for loan but he wouldnt have got enough playing time here. Its good he will develop under less pressure n he will be back next season (he is a juventino in heart n if we call him n ensure he gets playing time he will come). Sry for the long post but pls give GDN n beppe till end of the season not christmas its too soon to judge then, we all saw wat happen last season ferrara (THE GUY FREAKING BEAT MOURINHO"S INTER should have given more time)was sacked n team went even terrible under Zac. I know we all wanted players like caceres (barca is crazy they want to sell him for 15mil to us) n pazzini (samp wouldnt let is deal for him) but pls lets wait n see n not start whining like inter fans (who despite winning treble must troll around here becoz they dont know how to celebrate their victory like Agnelli said)

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Maybe we join this one.
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sorry guys but I might be officially turned off and pissed off at this team... I have been a juve fan all my life, but have really gone gard core with them the last 4 or 5 years.. but now I'm pissed, since I have become a fan they have shamed themselves and the league by being relegated to serie b for calciopoli, done horribly in the standings and have not won a trophy at all, have gotten worse and continue to be mismanaged and have basically given away their best players (Giovinco and Diego) for a bunch of garbage retreads.. Whats with this team? Even Trez and Camo gone.. these two are better than the likes of quags, amauri, pepe(garbage), marchisio(even more garbage), aquilani breaks like an egg.. etc etc.. this team has no direction and no creativity, last weeks game only sowe they are not gonna score goals this year and it will be a huge problem.. there is no one to feed the ball.. this ital juve bullshit has to stop, chiellini and motta are the two most overrated players in the frickin league.. Motta couldnt cut it with Roma and now he'sour #1? Please.. Give me some real players here... and the siging of 12 mill for martinez? wtf was that? what a joke. no direction. Marotta will be gone by yeas end and so will delneri... I'll continue to watch, but I havezero expectations... again.

"marchisio(even more garbage)
chiellini and motta are the two most overrated players in the frickin league"

Do u watch the same football as others do?

chiellini and motta are the two most overrated players in the frickin league..

Is it soccer you're talking about ?

Yeah, we should really implement those "Unlike" buttons.

I am happy with the way the transfer market panned out for Juve as a whole. There are a few wrinkles that are puzzling (Diego? WTF?!) Given that Juve was a mid-level team last year, had a TON of deadweight (Zebina, I'm looking at you), and no CL football to offer, I think Beppe did an admirable job getting Bonucci, Krasic, Quags, and Aquilani to come in. While they are not sexy names and aren't going to sell newspapers, we can hope that they fight for the name on the front of the jersey. While Bari was a messy speed bump, it is just one fixture in a tough spot to play. The objective is the CL this year, scudetto next. I have no doubt that Beppe and LDN have set some groundwork for the next mercato, however infuriating this one may have been. Forza Juve!

Technically we only bought 4 players: Bonucci, Storari, Martinez and Krasic. All the rest are auditioning for next season. Which to me is a relief!

That is what I have been saying all along.

- Storari was a must buy, given that Buffon was going to be injured for 4 months and who knows how long it will take him to get back in form.

- Bonucci was a good buy, probably the best thing in the market for that price (remember Rannochia was coming from an injury).

- Martinez, yes he was 12m but his salary is very low, all in all we won't pay too much for him and he can fill many roles, I am not as disappointed with that purchase as most of you.

- Last is Krasic, he is not the next Nedved, but he is dedicated to this team. I think he will become a substitute to a great wingers in two or three seasons and that is not a bad idea.

The other guys are on loan, so they know they enjoy the confidence of the coach for a year, but they also know they must perform, I don't think that is a bad deal

The players on loan also have a year to prove themselves but under a lot less stress than in the Juve shirt. If Gio has a great tournament I think we will recall him if he fits the coach's idea. Ekdal resembles Marchisio lots, if Marchisio doesn't up his game or if Aquilani doesn't work out for us, then Ekdal will be brought back as well. Same goes for Immobile. The co-ownership deals are important because the other teams have a vested interest in developing our players, if our players grow we will pay more money, if they don't then we won't. Win-win.

We need to give our players time to gel, and our management to do their work. From September 1st until Dec 31st, they will work to find us a couple more things in the winter market that might help us reach that 4th place objective.

Lastly, remember we never got a sponsor for the away kit, I am sure that hurt our market as well.

I am not going to say that Marotta is the greatest transfer guru in the history of the game, but at least we came up with a plan that will get us that 4th spot. The plan is not flawless, as we saw in Bari last weekend) and it might fail, but it is better than spending 50m in two players who don't really compliment each other and then get an aging Cannavaro past his prime and a Fabio Grosso who only had one good World Cup to show for.

Good point. If we do qualify for the CL at the end of the season, I'd hope to see the back of Pepe and, maybe, Traore (not hating on the latter, just think he's more of a backup to De Ceglie), and get some real quality in their respective positions. Ditto for Amauri, of course, but unfortunately, he's not here on loan. I also hope Aquilani can prove himself (firstly by staying healthy) so that we splash the cash on him.

"Juventus paid €500,000 for the privilege of loaning Traore and have an option to sign him next summer for €4.5m. "

From football italia. We do have an option to buy him

also not to mention why i totaly not understand why we didn't even try to lure in ROSSI,...

villareal is in horrendous financial papers, ideal partner to negotiate with, I'm sure if we negotiated well we could have him for a reasonable price' also considering his value has been decreased A LOT compared to last season

Maybe you guys should have asked Galliani to negotiate for you? You would have gotten Rossi for 8 bags of potatoes, to be paid over 2 years.

be sceptical all you want, fact remain we did not even try it, but our strikerprospects were 33year old di natale and a static boriello wich are of course much better options.

the striking force for the whole season is iaquinta,amauri, quags, and 36 years old adp, i don't need to be a manager to realise this is far below juve standards, we'll see at the end of the season

we could have vd vaart for 11m:( 11!!!

and both drenthe and hleb on a free loan:(

O MY GOD!
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Adios, Camo! Thank you for entertaining football. I hope the club and fans embrace you for the awesome footballer you are. May they have all your favorite foods, and your family lives comfortably in Germany. :(

The proper evaluation should be done at the end of season, but as of now I'm giving Marotta a B- on this campaign.

B- is too kind (we lack a healthy world class prima punta) although if by some miracle what Armando says comes true, as far as our players playing at their prime goes, we can qualify for CL but the top half of our table has gotten pretty good

Second your opinion, Comrade. A better LB could have increase the mark to B. A better LB and (4th) CB would have been B+ and proper prima punta would bring the grade to A

Signing report after 1 match-day:

Incoming:
1. Pepe - F (what the fuck?)
2. Storari - B (good gk, but a bit pricey)
3. Lanza - C (high determination, little else on others... at least so far)
4. Bonucci - A (we need a young and high quality CB, and he seems to be one)
5. Martinez - C (when healthy, a good winger and ss, but too expensive)
6. Motta - B (good at moving forward, must improve but ok at defending)
7. Krasic - A (after he gains match-fitness, he'll be a hit)
8. Aquilani - A (if he's healthy) or D (if he misses half of the season)
9. Quags - D (too expensive - he's only 3mill cheaper than robinho)
10. Traore - n/a (haven't seen him... to soon to grade)
11. Rinaudo - F (we're settling. Character aside, we had an agreement on Burdisso for Christ's sake...)

Outgoing:
1. Gio - F (loaned and turned out he's man of the match)
2. Trez - F (I'll start him over Amauri)
3. Tiago - C (good riddance, too bad we didn't sell him outright)
4. Diego - D (we lost 10mill)
5. Poulsen - A (no comment needed)
6. Camo - B (he's injured a lot; financially a very sound move)
7. Canna - A (last year was... sigh...)
8. Caceres - B (as much as I like him, 15 mill is too much)
9. Molinaro - A (no comment needed)
10. Zebina - A (if there's a higher grade than A, I'll give it)

Staying:
1. Grosso - D (earning the same as Chiellini)
2. Salihamidzic - D (earning the same as Chiellini)

Should be coming:
1. Prima Punta - F (none is coming)
2. Def Midfield - F (none is coming)


Final grade = C (and it's already assumed Aqua's acquisition as an A) with total spending around 23mil (56 rev, 33 exp).

You want another defensive midfielder?

Think your ratings are good, just too all over the place.

Yes, alessio. Melo and Sissoko don't cut a def midfield we need: heady one with capabilities to organize the def and att and pass accurately and consistently.

Xabi Alonso was taken.

good analysis!

Vargas would be great for the left wing. Krasic and Vargas would be a similar combination to Robben and Ribery. Granted, Bayern's duo obviously have more talent, but style wise it would be very similar, aka VERY DANGEROUS. I would love to get Vargas for the left wing, if so, i think we would be set. Unless of course Lanzafame develops to be that good, and then we'd be fine. One thing is for sure, while Milan might have bought bigger names, with Robinho and Ibrahimovic, i think Juve have a much brighter future. When Giovinco, Pasquato, and Ariaudo come back, we also have Libertazzi, Buchel, F. Rossi, Marrone, Giandonato, Boniperti, and Immobile. Not to mention we already have Lanzafame, Motta, De Ceglie, Bonucci, and Marchisio who are all relatively young and have their best years ahead of them. Krasic, Chiellini, and Aquilani are also not old either. Plus, we have made some very solid signings. If Martinez can hit his Catania form, Krasic his CSKA form, Quags his Udinese form, Amauri his Palermo form, Melo his Fiorentina form, and Aquilani his Roma form, we can win the Scudetto for sure in my opinion (though i dont think Aqua should be starting). That may sound like i'm asking alot, but really it's not. Fiorentina, Palermo, Roma, and Catania are all Serie A teams so those guys are already used to Serie A. And CSKA is in the Russian League, but one of the Top teams over there, and he was their star player, he just needs to become one of our stars now. With a 4-4-2, we should play like this this season:

-----------Manninger
Motta--Bonucci---Chiellini--De Ceglie
Krasic--Marchisio--Momo--Lanzafame
------Quagliarella--Martinez

De Ceglie one for the future, are u drunk

I admire your optimism. Curious though, why would you put manniger in goal? I think that the way Melo has been playing, he should start over momo.

Asked a friend who is an Arsenal fan about Traore. This is what he had to say:

"A poor man's Clichy. Gets caught out of position quite often. Decent attacking wise. Good pace and height. But very inexperienced in defending. We wont miss him at all."

So we have two defensively inept leftbacks and Marotta decides to add another?

Funny, Liverpool said the same thing about Sissoko and Milan about Edgar Davids. We'll see what's what when the time comes.

Were those two also discarded by a manager who specializes is spotting young talent ?

Please don't compare Momo to Edgar...

Mauro Zarate’s €25m sale to Tottenham!
why didnt they think of diego?

According to Hodgson, VdV was available for 8 (EIGHT) mil near the transfer deadline!!!

If Zarate was being negotiated at 25mil and VdV at 8/Diego at 15, that just shows how screwy the mercato is. I swear, clubs watching YouTube highlights instead of scouting.

It's official: VdV to Spurs for 8 (EIGHT) mil!!

The lure of the CL league must be too great to resist... not to mention the high wages off course :-)

i find it really strange we didn't try for vargas at all. he would be perfect for this 4-4-2. he probably has the best cross i've seen after beckham.
i thought we weren't going for him was because he would be tussled over by madrid, barca etc. but i heard nothing about him all summer....

and i know he was out of our budget, but if you take away martinez's 12m, and maybe sold tiago (instead of loaned) for 7ish mil and (accepted a loss on him). also, considering the pitiful deals we got on diego and poulsen where we probably should've got at least 2mil more on each, it may have been possible.

but i don't mind. unlike most people on here i'm fairly positive.

Many were opposed to Vargas because he is defensively poor. That's why we got Traore instead.